Archive for November, 2005

Source: Bob Blog

Comments: Bob documents an early example of Slice removing comments/commenters if they make more sense than the Slice point of view.  After all, at Slice, it’s not about truth.  Or, as Jack Nicholson says, “You can’t handle the truth…”
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I told you a few posts back about the stellar job Ross was doing discussing Scripture and our limitations when we come to it over at Slice.

A few hours after posting my lauds, the comments slice was gone. Poof!

In a sadly immature fit of spite, they actually erased what was becoming a great conversation, I suspect because Ross was very much coming off as the most reasonable voice there and it was clear that not only was he making the most sense, but people were starting to listen…

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Source: Bob Blog

Comments: Bob congratulates Ross Daws (of Less Travelled) for a well-thought exchange at Slice, but in doing so, sends the Slice censors into overdrive.  After all, you can’t run a heretic-hunter site if the ‘heretics’ actually make sense.
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speaking of critics… Has anyone noticed the absolutely stellar job Ross Daws is doing over at Slice of Laodicea?
… amazing, yoeman’s work. He is being compassionately engaging, not being drawn in by the ridiculous ad hominems (my downfall… I can’t resist responding), and is teaching… one can actually see some light bulbs come on as you read through the thread. It’s brilliant.

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Source: Emerging Thought in Montana
Comments: Iggy does a little bit of digging in the comparisons with the Biblical Laodicea and Ingrid’s little “slice”, and comes away finding it wanting – a lot…
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I think if a blogger names the blog “a slice of Laodicea” they are trying to point out that there is something wrong in today’s church. In that I whole-heartedly agree. The thing is if you look and read some of the things on “Ingrid” it does not take long to see that she is judgmental and really goes out of her way to find these herasies she loves to write about. I am not opposed to exposing people whom I think are hypocrites… I think it is very obvious as you read anything she writes what her true character is.

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Source: Emerging Thought in Montana

Comments: After the accidental electrocution of Kyle Lake, SoL decided to make hay of his death as “God’s Judgement” on Kyle’s faulty theology, and to say of themselves, “Thank God I am not a sinner like him…”. Iggy takes note and weeps.

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I am not sure how to respond, or even if I should to the people who seem to think God is killing those whom in their own eyes are heretics.

I think Kyle Lake was far from a heretic.

Now, what I do see is this.

There are some whom seem to have placed themselves as the Judges of not just sinners but of fellow Christian brothers and sisters. Then they use, or rather misused scripture to back up their twisted belief system.

First off I do not want to give the impression I knew Kyle. In fact I can’t remember hearing about him until this tragic event happened. I almost let it slide by until I came across some anti emergent people mocking his passing and claiming God was getting those emergent heretics. This left me stone cold. How can a brother be so filled with hate that they rejoice in another’s pain and sorrow? Jesus even taught to pray for our enemies, and yet, these people claiming Jesus, laugh and seem to rejoice in a brother in Christ’s passing.

I am sick of the Ingrid’s and Paul Proctors of this world who to me are hatemonger’s and stand on nothing but their own self righteousness and judgmentalism. I am sick of people like Pat Robertson who condemn entire cities in the name of Jesus, and forget He died for their sin as well as PR’s.

My prayers are with the congregation at University Baptist Church in Waco, Texas. May Kyle’s life be an example of Christ that one can cherish and carry as one grows in faith.

My prayers are also for those who preach hate, that the true Light of Christ be found and the hate in your hearts be displaced with the LOVE of Christ for God first then for your brothers… but until then, don’t call me brother. (John 18:19, John 8:42-45)

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Source: Emerging Thought in Montana

Comments: Iggy waxes poetical on the bitter Slice of Laodicea and its continued Schadenfreude in the matter of Kyle Lake.
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You can read Ingrid and laugh,

You can read her and cry,

You can read her and even wonder why?

Yet, mostly I read her and think,

There, but by God’s grace…

go I.

Blessings,
iggy

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Source: Bob Blog

Comments: Bob documents the beginnings of the ‘good’ emergentno (as opposed to the bad one), and the addition of Slice to its RSS feed.

Here, Bob also documents a known flaw in Slice’s blacklisting protocol which blacklists thousands of people who have never even commented, but whose internet service is through a proxy server (in this case, Starbucks/T-Mobile).
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I know that all of this is probably counter-productive in the long run (in the sense that we should probably just ignore critics who don’t have our best interest at heart and are unable to comment on anything positive in amongst all the finger pointing…), but…

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Source: Bob Blog

Comments: Bob says a prayer for Ken, Ingrid and company, after a slanderous categorization of the church movement to which he belongs.
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Ahh… see now… now we’re actually “satanic.”

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Source: Musings from Two-Sheds Gomer

Comments: Brendt attended an incredibly worshipful night with Michael W. Smith, Third Day and others.   The sin?  It was sponsored by Chevy.  Therefore, according to I Hezekiah (or at least Steve Camp), worship could not have happened there.  Brendt takes issue with this assessment.
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Not content to simply allow something like this to happen, there were voices of dissent because (in an uncommon move) the tour was sponsored by Chevrolet. No voice was louder than that of Steve Camp. In his analysis of the situation, Camp begins by stating that “I want to affirm my love and prayers for Michael W. Smith, Third Day, and Max Lucado”, then proceeds to cruficy them. (See also, “with friends like these…”) This tactic does not seem to be uncommon for Camp, who also will make self-effacing remarks about his past, and then rip someone else’s present. I guess that Camp considers himself to have arrived and that Galatians 6:1 is not applicable.

… if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness …

This, of course, assumes that Camp is one of the “you who are spiritual”. But I digress.

Camp’s polemic is filled with strawmen, largely based (apparently) on some divine knowledge of others’ attitudes, thoughts, and feelings. Where non-existent (and therefore, very easily refuted) issues are not employed, mischaracterizations of situations and misinterpretations (or, at least, misapplication) of Scripture is used. One example would be the statement:

The fact that this is an “evening of worship and evangelism” — their language, not mine -means that we have now actually digressed to charging people money to worship the Lord.

Uh, no, Steve. “We” are charging people money to be a part of a particular event during which there is the hope and prayer that worship will take place. Just like I was charged money for your concerts back in the 80s. Even if this is dismissed as Camp’s past, he is alleging that I was incapable of achieving genuine worship at his concerts. I’m not sure who this insults the most — me, Camp, or God. And lest we classify this as solely the past, please be aware that Camp participated in a cruise earlier this year, for which people were charged a lot more than my ticket to that concert cost. By Camp’s argument, no worship must have occured on that ship either.

Camp quotes these verses…

1 Corinthians 1:18
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

John 15:18-19
18 If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you.
19 If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

…and then uses them to claim that any level of acceptability in the world means that the Christian is doing something wrong. The converse to this argument is that disfavor by the world indicates that you’re doing something right. But it could just mean that you’re a booger-head

But, let’s not rely on my interpretation. I’ll close with one more Scripture.

Isaiah 55:11
So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth; It shall not return to Me void, But it shall accomplish what I please, And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.

In short, you can’t get in God’s way, even if you try.

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