Calling Kyrie66 . . . aka Ingrid S. wearing a goatee???
5
Jan
Here’s what Kyrie66 had to say over at pomomusings:
I host a syndicated radio show and have to say your original profane comments on the Lighthouse Trails site pretty much sums up why we now have “emergent” leaders like . . .Posted by: Kyrie66 | 21 February 2005 at 11:21 AM
Yep, Slice readers, you guessed it. Our own Ingrid, incensed at so called anonymous bloggers, uses the same parody anonymity to make her points, even has a blog by the name of http://www.goatees.blogspot.com/.
Goatees? Ingrid, are you trying to disguise yourself as a man? For shame!!
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You guys are idiots. That site is from her college-aged son. Do you ever fact check before you publish? Sheesh. His photo is even on there.
I am a friend of her son’s and he had to lock the comments because the obscenities from your crowd was so bad he couldn’t leave them open. We’re talking about people using the F-word to his mother because of this site. You people are really a classy bunch, you know that? Imagine having to close your comment section because obscenity from “Christ-followers” was a problem. This entire site is far sicker than anything I have seen yet.
Val,
Ingrid wrote on Slice, regarding the goatee site:
The site is pure satire. I’ve decided to keep adding posts regarding various aspects of emergent nonsense. Satire is highly instructive as it shows the foolishness of what you’re skewering![emphasis mine]
Ingrid’s done a lot of wacky things, but lying doesn’t seem to be her gig, so until she posts differently, I will assume she was telling the truth that she is/was posting there.
As for cursing/threats, I somehow doubt the veracity of your claim as hearsay, at best. Nobody who has posted at this site or other emergent sites I visit use that type of language or verbal abuse. If they truly were submitted, I wonder how likely it is that there was an actual emergent/emerging person on the other end, and not just an anti-ECM person posing…
Also, just to note: I suspect most of the traffic at that site today came through the rather crude parody site that was blogging left and right on the subject today.
That site is in no way affiliated with this site or the ECM. It just seems like another attack on the ECM boogeyman…
Hi Val,
So nobobdy on this site is calling anybody else an “idiot”. Does Ingrid post under the name of Kyrie66 or not? Based on the quotes above, she apparently does. Do you see the hypocrisy of condemning parody and anonymous pen names when you are doing or have done the very same thing?
Peace,
Hey, if it was Ingrid, perhaps her point was not that someone would use an anonymous pen name, but that someone would use an anonymous pen name to leave such an ugly post. It is one thing to just “use and anonymous pen name” to make comments on your son’s satirical post. It is another thing to go to a post that you are in complete disagreement with and under that unanonymous name, “make degrading Pot shots at the editor of that site.” Perhaps that is what Ingrid was really referring to when she made her statement. Did Kyrie66 post on this site or patrick lane’s calling either an idiot and using various cuss words like f—-? I can see a real difference there.
I really can spell when I take the time to use spell check! Please don’t anyone with or without an anonymous name call me an “idiot!” Bless you allllllllll!!!!!!!
Karen,
I wouldn’t do that to you
I’m not sure exactly what her point might have been re: the goatee site, as it got pulled down pretty quickly (I looked a couple hours before it got pulled and didn’t see any nasty comments on it). However, the contents of all of the posts on the site she created as ‘Emergent Evan (Kyrie66)’ were pretty rude and uncharitable in characterizing emergents. Her accusations against this site – which to my knowledge has not used profanity or crudity toward Slice – came before anything happened to the ‘goatee’ site.
I am not defending anyone who defaced her anonymous site, I am just saying that neither John nor I nor any commenter here I know of on here, claims to have done so – nor would I expect any of the ‘regulars’ here to have done so.
Hi Karen,
Just to echo what Chris L. said, even in this post, you will see that there was no name calling. I did point out the apparent hypocrisy in criticizing “anonymous” posting/commenting when you’ve done the same thing, but no name calling. Jesus had some pretty strong words to say about calling somebody “empty headed” so this Raca will try to avoid that at all costs.
Well, I read the comments posted on Goatees and Funkey Glasses myself. There was one that said ,” Ingrid you are an idiot!” Either that same person or another said she needed to get psycological help. They kept that post up until the other one or two were posted using implied profanity directed at her by spelling “F….in” instead of the entire word and if I recall right there was another similar curse word implied. I know this because I was very shocked and puzzled that people would stoop that low. It was no longer funny. After the curse words were used in the post, they finally deleted the one calling her and idiot and the posts with the cursing and left all the others up. However when I went back a few hours later, they had deleted the entire site. I really can’t blame her and if someone posted here, Chris, like that, I’m sure you would take some kind of action, wouldn’t you? I still think that using an anonomous name was not the issue. It was using it to say such ugly things. Has she called anyone here “an idiot” or used the “f” word and others like it and run, after signing Kyrie66? PS I am not suggesting anyone here was Mr. or Mrs. Anonomous, however, eveyone seems to be real stuck on the topic. I just thought since I did see the site (I posted there -at that thread- using my own name) before, during and after, I would give you my take on it.
PS Why would you say that Ingrid’s signing “Kyrie66″ is signing anonymously? You quoted where she admitted to being Kyrie66. ( I host a syndicated radio show and have to say your original profane comments on the Lighthouse Trails site pretty much sums up why we now have “emergent†leaders like . . .Posted by: Kyrie66 | 21 February 2005 at 11:21 AM) How is that really anonymous, when she makes it pretty clear who she is? However the poster that wrote the ugly and profane remarks at Goatees and Funkey Glasses signed his name “anonymous” each time. I saw all the posts myself ! They were signed by Mr. “anonymous.” There is a big difference!
Karen,
Her specific reference was to Patrick Lane who had made no bones about his pen name being an anagram if Ingrid Schlueter. As to the other comment posted anonymously with apparently profanity in it, hey I’m with you. No need for that.
I think this horse is pretty much dead, don’t you?
Karen,
In moderating comments here, I would not allow comments with that type of language/name calling – or, I would immediately follow it with a rebuke/warning (as I did with someone earlier on this site).
JohnD, My main point and concern was that many have accused Ingrid of “calling the kettle black.†And, not only that, but she has been wrongfully accused of ” being a “liar. ” No, I don’t think continuing this is “beating a dead horse.” I believe your suggesting that I drop it makes it more like a “hit and run,” leaving another perhaps for dead, without any remorse on the part of you and others for the injuries one may have sustained. I think your suggestion for me to drop it is like asking me to forget that there has been a “hit and run.” I find it interesting that when I defend her, it is now time to drop it. I also think there is an unusual preoccupationand facination here and other places on the part of many as to whether or not someone is going to live or die, get better, or live the rest of their lives disabled and perhaps very dysfunctual. I believe many on this site and others like to pride themselves in being ” more loving” than Ingrid. I would suggest, ” Let those who think that they stand, take heed least they fall.”
Chirs, I am going to let this rest now as suggested by JohnD and having talked with you, I am confident that you would handle profanity that way. Goatees and Funky Glasses did just that. My other point I need to leave with is that Ingrid was not anonymous by signing Kyrie66. She let it be known it was her before all this started. The fact that Kyrie66 was attached to her or her and her family was no secret, without giving out more information on that. The last point is she does not have to defend herself on that point. She already made that information available in the quote at the beginning of this article. The person who was so crude on her site was not man or woman enough to sign their name or even a username that had been previously attached to their real identity. It is also very possible that she and her son use that same call sign or username. She is not a liar. God bless, Karen
Karen,
I’ve been watching this conversation, and wondering exactly where to fall, and I think this is what my (and I suspect John’s) original point was:
1) If one looked beyond the ‘Goatees’ site, they could eventually acertain that Ingrid was behind it.
2) If one looked at other posts on this site or on sites linked to it, they could fairly easily acertain that John and I were writing here.
3) If one looked at Patrick’s site or in the conversation he had at blogs linked to it, they could fairly acertain that his pseudonym was an anagram of Ingrid’s name, and get his actual name from multiple posts and sources.
Where I was pointing to hypocrisy was that all three of these cases were the same, yet Ingrid was accusing #2 and #3 of seeking anonymity without any reasonable ‘research’ behind her accusation. So, if Ingrid’s standard for #2 and #3 were applied to #1, she would be just as guilty of seeking anonymity.
I believe NONE of these were seeking to be anonymous.
Does that clear this up so that we just don’t drop it unresolved?
Not really, Chris. We will have to agree to disagree on these rather non-essential issues-anonymity, non-anonymity, etc. – And you and I both know that the real problem here is that different “camps,” so to speak, cannot agree because some of us believe that there are certain issues that are not debatable according to the Bible. That causes a real wedge between the different camps. And I believe the results of that is that one camp insists that the other does not walk in Love, as the Lord has commanded we all do. Example: the constant references to how legalistic, hurtful, unloving Ingrid and those in her camp are. My main point to this site and others who criticize Ingrid and her camp is that the former fail to see that they are lacking in the Love department. I believe that the foundational definition of what many these days call Love is shaky. You speak of “tough love” as being “violent.†Love is hard sometimes. Love is not ONLY what you perceive it to be. Love can be tough and not be violent. Part of God’s character and part of his Love is His judgments. Part of God’s love is telling the hard truth, which is not always easy or pleasant. Part of God’s love is telling someone they have to leave the church. Love can make people mad. I do not believe we can agree on what is loving. I believe we would differ greatly in that. I really don’t want to debate that though. This is your site and I am sure you have gone to great extents to define and explain love from your perspective. I just am sure we would not see eye to eye and because of that, when I was being loving, as I see the bible defining it, you would say I was being unloving. And never the twain shall meet, unfortunately. I will close by asking you to please listen to my heart, listen to the spirit of what I am saying, instead of dissecting my every word, every jot and tittle, even though you might not agree. And please remember, in addition to trying to be loving, I do “ very†much like you, Chris. God Bless you and your family and the others here, Karen
Karen,
Just to be clear, I believe both of us would define ‘love’ as we defined by the Bible, but we would disagree in interpretation of how the Bible instructs us to act it out.
Grace and peace to you and your family,
Chris