Issue: Music as a neutral element that can be used for worship

Slice/CRN take: Dwayna, from “Music is not Amoral

Consider these points from Dan Lucarini, former Contemporary Christian Worship leader:

“…I do not trust the argument that all music is or can be good, because of the biblical record. The first musical reference in the entire Bible is not in Psalms or Chronicles, as many believe. It is not in the stories of David or the song of Moses. The first mention of music is found very early in Genesis 4:21, where we are introduced to Jubal, the father of all musicians: ‘He was the father of all those who play the harp and flute.’ Our modern band and orchestra instruments can probably be traced to the handiwork of Jubal and his descendants.Furthermore, the first musician named in the Bible was a direct descendant of Cain, whom God had judged so severely, because he used his own personal [p]references in worship! Ponder that for a moment.

God told Cain that his personal style of worship was unacceptable, because it violated the specific rules given by God. Cain was infuriated with this rejection and extremely jealous that God accepted  his brother, Abel’s, worship. Cain murdered Abel and was banished from the presence of the Lord and His family.Cain’s descendants continued to disobey God. They were so wicked that when they intermarried with the line of Seth, God decided to destroy them with the Flood. This was the heritage and environment of Jubal…I also recommend a diligent study of 1 Chronicles 15 and 16 where David organized the musical structure of temple worship. This will help us to understand how a fallible man can become acceptable to  God as a music minister before Him, trusted to choose the music and the instruments wisely.”

[Why I Left the Contemporary Christian Music Movement, Lucarini, pp. 93, 133; Evangelical Press] [emphasis hers]

My Take:

I suppose you can twist scripture to say a whole lot of things, but this not only takes the cake, but it then tries to eat it, too…  This is another attack on the Third Commandment, trying to make our preferences into “God’s preferences”.

So, let’s see:

  1. Jubal is the first musician in the Bible, who was the ‘father of all those who play the harp and flute’.
  2. Jubal was decended from Cain, who was rejected by God for “using his own personal [p]references in worship”. [This is certainly a huge stretch in Biblical interpretation, far beyond Rick Warren's stretches in interpretation in the Purpose Driven Life that his detractors gnash about ad naseum.  The remainder of the exposition of Genesis 4 is also a bit of a stretch in interpretation, but hey, Dwayna and Lucarini are on their side, so they can be given a pass...]
  3. “Our modern band and orchestra instruments can probably be traced to the handiwork of Jubal and his decendents.”  [I was kind of thinking that Jubal and his decendents were either a) wiped out in the flood; b) ancestors of Noah; c) ancestors of Noah's wife or his son's wives.  Since we don't have Jubal's geneology to know if all of us or a third of us or none of us are related to him, I will have to assume this is a lame attempt at unsupported hyperbole toward whatever instruments/music Dwayna/Lucarini don't like...]
  4. David is then used as the example for how to choose music and instruments.  [Wasn't David's key instrument the harp (1 Sam 16:18)?  Isn't one of his Psalms (#5) written for flute accompanyment?  Didn't he know that *shudder* Jubal was the 'father of all those who play the harp and flute'?  What was he thinking?!?!?]

I think Dwayna and Dan just need a good therapist, and need to leave the church alone until they grow up a bit and realize that just because something isn’t their preference doesn’t make it displeasing to God.

God is the creator of everything, including music, and as such, it can – and should – be used to worship Him, in any musical style that is acceptable to the church community worshipping Him.  Even if it includes harps, flutes, drums, guitars or an organ…

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1   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
March 13th, 2007 at 5:08 pm

her post is absolutely rediculous. First off, she confuses worship with music. I know it is a common American mistake, but a mistake none the less.

2   phil    
March 13th, 2007 at 5:36 pm

I read Dwayna’s post like five or six times trying to discern what the point was, but I finally gave up. I think she’s saying if it’s a musical style she doesn’t like, it’s of the Devil.

Here’s the thing – we really have no idea what the actual melodies and rhytmic structures were like when Jubal was jammin’. Being that music in written form didn’t appear until the Middle Ages or later, almost any type of music you would hear today would be completely different than of the Biblical era. Actually, based on the region of the world that the Biblical account takes place in, music of that vintage would probably be closer in form to the African booty-shakin’ beats than a Bach concerto.

3   Nathan    
March 13th, 2007 at 5:53 pm

has anyone actually successfully made contact with Dwayna? I have tried to email her, but no luck.

4   Russ N.    http://russ-ramblings.blogspot.com
March 13th, 2007 at 9:07 pm

I was considering a posting on my blog about Dwayna’s posting…but you beat me to it and did a much better job than I could have.

Dwayna’s leaps in logic continue to amaze me (even though they shouldn’t – I should just expect them). I love the various musical styles from around the world (and within the US) as they are used to praise and worship God — not all of them are my style of music, but that’s all right. If they are worshipping the One True God, who am I to say the style of music underneath the lyrics they sing is inappropriate?

I’m waiting for someone to reference our “young and stupid” YouTube contributor who rails against “beat music”. There is not a case that can be made from scripture that shows a style of music as inappropriate for Christians. You may not like it, but it doesn’t mean that God doesn’t.

Dwayna and Dan (and probably the rest of the Slice/CRN crew) prefer hymns and gospel songs — very well. Chalk it up to preference, but don’t elevate it to a ‘thus says the LORD’ level.

I think it all comes back to fear. Because something that God has created has been used/twisted for ungodly purposes does not mean that we as Christians retreat from it. There have been people who worship Satan that inhale oxygen and exhale carbon dioxide — should we stop breathing so that we don’t inhale what was exhaled by a Satanist? If a style of music with lyrics that honor God reach a person who submits his/her life to Christ, has it been worth it even if I don’t prefer the style of music? Yes!

5   Neil S.    
March 14th, 2007 at 8:59 am

It’s amazing how many times I’m reminded of the lyrics of Steve Taylor when thinking of the illogical and unbiblical rhetoric of CRN – this time it’s:

“Turn the radio on to a down-home drawl
hear a brylcream prophet with a message for y’all
‘I have found a new utensil in the devil’s toolbox
and the heads are gonna roll if Jesus rocks
it’s a worldly design! God’s music should be divine!
try buying records like mine–avoid temptation.’”

From the song “Guilty by Association”- the amazing thing is how accurate Taylor was in nailing them to the wall.

6   phil    
March 14th, 2007 at 10:12 am

Neil,
Awesome! I’m still in the process of moving my CD collection to Itunes, and I just got done move my Steve Taylor stuff over the other day. Listening to his stuff, it’s uncanny how prophetic some of it was. I personally like these excerpts from “Smug” from the Squint album.

Hey mama hey mama lookee what your little babies all have become
Hey mama hey mama don’t it ever make you wish you’d been a nun?
Vain and fickle, were we weaned on a pickle?
Is it in our blood?
Rome is burning
We’re here turning smug

All you smug-starved millions in the thick of the search
Welcome to our church
Whatcha wanna solve?
We can help you evolve from merely self-righteous
To perfectly smug

Strike the proud pose of our country club brethren
Friendly as a tomb
Fragrant as the bottom of a locker-room broom
Now what’s the matter?
Hey…get off your knees…that part don’t come ’til later…
God will not be pleased…

That last line is especially relevant here.

7   Matt    
March 14th, 2007 at 10:30 am

Yes, but you forget, Steve Taylor is emergent. He is working with Donald Miller on a screen play together. That makes Mr Taylor emergent.

I love how “discernment” ministries do that, so and so appeared at the same conference as so and so, therefore they all share the exact same beliefs and are into astral projection, seances, and vote Democrat.

8   Russ N.    http://russ-ramblings.blogspot.com
March 14th, 2007 at 5:03 pm

I guess I’m going to show my age, but I had “I Want To Be A Clone” (on tape)….until my tape player ate it. Anyway, that’s the song I most think of when I hear CRN talkin’ music….

I’d gone through so much other stuff
that walking down the aisle was tough
but now I know it’s not enough
I want to be a clone

I asked the Lord into my heart
they said that was the way to start
but now you’ve got to play the part
I want to be a clone

chorus:
Be a clone and kiss conviction goodnight
cloneliness is next to Godliness, right?
I’m grateful that they show the way
’cause I could never know the way
to serve him on my own
I want to be a clone