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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1202</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 13:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil - check your email... I sent you a note yesterday...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil &#8211; check your email&#8230; I sent you a note yesterday&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil S.</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1201</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris L.

You could also add the propensity of the others to censor those who ask questions contrary to the amen theme.  I&#039;m not sure if that&#039;s true of Mike&#039;s blog, but we all experienced that from Slice 1.0.

My personal experience - I asked a couple follow up questions, nothing attacking, not even in opposition really, just a follow-up... they were never posted.

Neil S.

PS - I still have multiple questions pending with both Mike and Chris P., and while these questions have gone unaddressed, they&#039;ve continued to post attack barbs.  In my mind, the biggest unanswered question re: Ken and Chris P. and Mike is why they are so hostile?  Why to vehement in their attacks?  Even before you started this blog, the original Slice 1.0 rarely asked questions or simply raised concerns, from the start it was amazingly hostile - I wonder why?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris L.</p>
<p>You could also add the propensity of the others to censor those who ask questions contrary to the amen theme.  I&#8217;m not sure if that&#8217;s true of Mike&#8217;s blog, but we all experienced that from Slice 1.0.</p>
<p>My personal experience &#8211; I asked a couple follow up questions, nothing attacking, not even in opposition really, just a follow-up&#8230; they were never posted.</p>
<p>Neil S.</p>
<p>PS &#8211; I still have multiple questions pending with both Mike and Chris P., and while these questions have gone unaddressed, they&#8217;ve continued to post attack barbs.  In my mind, the biggest unanswered question re: Ken and Chris P. and Mike is why they are so hostile?  Why to vehement in their attacks?  Even before you started this blog, the original Slice 1.0 rarely asked questions or simply raised concerns, from the start it was amazingly hostile &#8211; I wonder why?</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1200</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

Just to demonstrate what an &#039;amen chorus&#039; looks like, you can just go to the article linked from Mike Radcliff&#039;s site.  There are currently 15 comments, so let&#039;s examine them:

1) Henry Frueh - it&#039;s a diatribe against the &#039;emergent&#039; stereotype with lots of hyperbole, but little substance.  Not really an &#039;amen chorus&#039; post, though.

2) Jay - Amen chorus

3) Loddie - Amen chorus

4) Coram - Amen chorus

5) Mike - reply to Henry with labeling those who disagree with him as being &#039;liberals&#039; (and, by inference, there is no need to even listen/discuss with them).  [I would dispute this contention, as well, as none of this blog&#039;s authors - that I know of - would call themselves &#039;liberal&#039;, nor would &#039;liberals&#039; consider them to be.

Note: Mike is incredibly fragile when people disagree with him.  I&#039;ve come in to support him on some past posts where it really did seem he was making a mountain from a molehill where someone disagreed with him.  So, this isn&#039;t surprising.]

6) Mike (to Jay) - Amen chorus return echo

7) Mike (to Loddie) - Amen chorus return echo

8) Mike (to Corem) - Amen chorus return echo

9) Jill - off-topic (going off on PDL churches, instead of emergents), but not amen

10) Ken - Amen chorus (with predictably affected blether of self-made labels &amp; such)

11) Kim - Amen chorus

12) Kim - Amen chorus (Which, interestingly, includes these as her only original words - &quot;Amen and amen!&quot;)

13) Mike (to Jill) - not amen chorus

14) Mike (to Ken) - Amen chorus return echo

15) Mike (to Kim) - Amen chorus return echo

So, 11 of 15 posts on Mike&#039;s blog article were easily classified as &#039;amen chorus&#039;.

This thread (including this reply) has 15 comments, two of which are off-topic rants by you (both sorry attempts to mock/cry &#039;hypocrite&#039;, both of which do nothing to address the topic at hand), and none of which would fit into the criteria for &#039;amen chorus&#039;.

So, just from the two posts at hand:

CRN/Slice writer - 11/15 &#039;amen chorus&#039; posts
CRN.info writer - 0/15 &#039;amen chorus&#039; posts

This is not atypical...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>Just to demonstrate what an &#8216;amen chorus&#8217; looks like, you can just go to the article linked from Mike Radcliff&#8217;s site.  There are currently 15 comments, so let&#8217;s examine them:</p>
<p>1) Henry Frueh &#8211; it&#8217;s a diatribe against the &#8216;emergent&#8217; stereotype with lots of hyperbole, but little substance.  Not really an &#8216;amen chorus&#8217; post, though.</p>
<p>2) Jay &#8211; Amen chorus</p>
<p>3) Loddie &#8211; Amen chorus</p>
<p>4) Coram &#8211; Amen chorus</p>
<p>5) Mike &#8211; reply to Henry with labeling those who disagree with him as being &#8216;liberals&#8217; (and, by inference, there is no need to even listen/discuss with them).  [I would dispute this contention, as well, as none of this blog's authors - that I know of - would call themselves 'liberal', nor would 'liberals' consider them to be.</p>
<p>Note: Mike is incredibly fragile when people disagree with him.  I've come in to support him on some past posts where it really did seem he was making a mountain from a molehill where someone disagreed with him.  So, this isn't surprising.]</p>
<p>6) Mike (to Jay) &#8211; Amen chorus return echo</p>
<p>7) Mike (to Loddie) &#8211; Amen chorus return echo</p>
<p> <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> Mike (to Corem) &#8211; Amen chorus return echo</p>
<p>9) Jill &#8211; off-topic (going off on PDL churches, instead of emergents), but not amen</p>
<p>10) Ken &#8211; Amen chorus (with predictably affected blether of self-made labels &#038; such)</p>
<p>11) Kim &#8211; Amen chorus</p>
<p>12) Kim &#8211; Amen chorus (Which, interestingly, includes these as her only original words &#8211; &#8220;Amen and amen!&#8221;)</p>
<p>13) Mike (to Jill) &#8211; not amen chorus</p>
<p>14) Mike (to Ken) &#8211; Amen chorus return echo</p>
<p>15) Mike (to Kim) &#8211; Amen chorus return echo</p>
<p>So, 11 of 15 posts on Mike&#8217;s blog article were easily classified as &#8216;amen chorus&#8217;.</p>
<p>This thread (including this reply) has 15 comments, two of which are off-topic rants by you (both sorry attempts to mock/cry &#8216;hypocrite&#8217;, both of which do nothing to address the topic at hand), and none of which would fit into the criteria for &#8216;amen chorus&#8217;.</p>
<p>So, just from the two posts at hand:</p>
<p>CRN/Slice writer &#8211; 11/15 &#8216;amen chorus&#8217; posts<br />
CRN.info writer &#8211; 0/15 &#8216;amen chorus&#8217; posts</p>
<p>This is not atypical&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil S.</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1199</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

I see you took to pandering instead of addressing my sincere questions to you.

I tried to come out of the corner for a dialogue, but, alas, you seem to have chosen to stay in your corner and shout.

If you decide you wish to interact, I&#039;ll check back.

still your brother in Christ,

Neil S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>I see you took to pandering instead of addressing my sincere questions to you.</p>
<p>I tried to come out of the corner for a dialogue, but, alas, you seem to have chosen to stay in your corner and shout.</p>
<p>If you decide you wish to interact, I&#8217;ll check back.</p>
<p>still your brother in Christ,</p>
<p>Neil S.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1198</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken,

You seem pretty new here, but we welcome all views - censoring none - and we do not always agree (I can point you to some threads, if you would like).  Even so, the point is around learning/discussing, not patting each other on the back for giving the heretics what-for.

With Chris P, I will admit it is difficult, but we&#039;re actually trying to get him to converse - rather than just post general diatribes/rants.  Nobody commenting here, though, has ever accused him of being a &#039;false&#039; Christian - or questioned his salvation.  Nobody commenting here flat-out mocks him.  These are two key attributes of an &#039;amen chorus&#039;.

Additionally, another &#039;amen chorus&#039; characteristic is to be predominantly back-patting posts with little or no substance.  (&quot;Way to go Ken!  Don&#039;t those emergents know they&#039;re going to burn in hell...&quot; etc, etc,).  You will find little, if any, of that here.

With you, I have pretty much given up any hope that you will ever say something of substance with which to discuss.  You admittedly sit in the seat of mockers, and 90% of your comments (including the above) demonstrate this.  Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, so for you to label anything as hypocritical is laughable at best.

So, if you happen to have anything of substance to say - to discuss - please, by all means get to it.  If your only purpose is to mock and jeer and play the part of a perpetual seventh-grader, please slither off and spread your poison elsewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken,</p>
<p>You seem pretty new here, but we welcome all views &#8211; censoring none &#8211; and we do not always agree (I can point you to some threads, if you would like).  Even so, the point is around learning/discussing, not patting each other on the back for giving the heretics what-for.</p>
<p>With Chris P, I will admit it is difficult, but we&#8217;re actually trying to get him to converse &#8211; rather than just post general diatribes/rants.  Nobody commenting here, though, has ever accused him of being a &#8216;false&#8217; Christian &#8211; or questioned his salvation.  Nobody commenting here flat-out mocks him.  These are two key attributes of an &#8216;amen chorus&#8217;.</p>
<p>Additionally, another &#8216;amen chorus&#8217; characteristic is to be predominantly back-patting posts with little or no substance.  (&#8221;Way to go Ken!  Don&#8217;t those emergents know they&#8217;re going to burn in hell&#8230;&#8221; etc, etc,).  You will find little, if any, of that here.</p>
<p>With you, I have pretty much given up any hope that you will ever say something of substance with which to discuss.  You admittedly sit in the seat of mockers, and 90% of your comments (including the above) demonstrate this.  Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, so for you to label anything as hypocritical is laughable at best.</p>
<p>So, if you happen to have anything of substance to say &#8211; to discuss &#8211; please, by all means get to it.  If your only purpose is to mock and jeer and play the part of a perpetual seventh-grader, please slither off and spread your poison elsewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Ken Silva</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/03/21/mike-ratcliff-faces-roaring-lions/comment-page-1/#comment-1196</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 04:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julie, 

Indeed. And this is another of them. Which is actually the point. Here they are hypocrites to accuse CRN of being one of these corners you speak of all the while patting each other on the back as each of them tells the other what they already believe anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie, </p>
<p>Indeed. And this is another of them. Which is actually the point. Here they are hypocrites to accuse CRN of being one of these corners you speak of all the while patting each other on the back as each of them tells the other what they already believe anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;...just shows the lack of discernment among the Amen Corner here to which Chris P., Mike and I have become accustomed from you self-appointed watchdawgs of the watchdawggies here...&quot;

There are a lot of Amen Corners on the web. They tend to shout at each other from corner to corner to see who can &quot;amen&quot; the loudest. The point of this is to accomplish nothing except say &quot;amen&quot; really, really loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;just shows the lack of discernment among the Amen Corner here to which Chris P., Mike and I have become accustomed from you self-appointed watchdawgs of the watchdawggies here&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>There are a lot of Amen Corners on the web. They tend to shout at each other from corner to corner to see who can &#8220;amen&#8221; the loudest. The point of this is to accomplish nothing except say &#8220;amen&#8221; really, really loud.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just love how people refer to â€œthe emergent.â€  One of Mikeâ€™s sympathizers said 
â€œHey youâ€™re getting a good first-hand experience as to what itâ€™s like to argue with liberals and emergentsâ€
Anytime someone thinks anything different than them, they are liberal and emergent.  I bet this guy couldnâ€™t define who are what emergent is to save his life. 
Another person wrote on â€œemergetnsâ€:  â€œHe now questions everything and his beak is tightly closed around his new found theology. He is not interested in being fed by Godâ€™s Word anymore.
Who isnâ€™t interested in being fed by Godâ€™s word?  We are all interested in that.  We are not interested in being fed by the words of men.  But apparently these guys are.  He closes his response with â€œKeep speaking truth, Mike, your words feed those whose beaks are open. Pray for those whose beaks are closed but do not waste much time with them because if we do some open mouths will go hungry.â€  Itâ€™s scary to think that if a man stops preaching someone will go spiritually hungry.  And we are the ones who donâ€™t want to be fed with Godâ€™s word anymore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just love how people refer to â€œthe emergent.â€  One of Mikeâ€™s sympathizers said<br />
â€œHey youâ€™re getting a good first-hand experience as to what itâ€™s like to argue with liberals and emergentsâ€<br />
Anytime someone thinks anything different than them, they are liberal and emergent.  I bet this guy couldnâ€™t define who are what emergent is to save his life.<br />
Another person wrote on â€œemergetnsâ€:  â€œHe now questions everything and his beak is tightly closed around his new found theology. He is not interested in being fed by Godâ€™s Word anymore.<br />
Who isnâ€™t interested in being fed by Godâ€™s word?  We are all interested in that.  We are not interested in being fed by the words of men.  But apparently these guys are.  He closes his response with â€œKeep speaking truth, Mike, your words feed those whose beaks are open. Pray for those whose beaks are closed but do not waste much time with them because if we do some open mouths will go hungry.â€  Itâ€™s scary to think that if a man stops preaching someone will go spiritually hungry.  And we are the ones who donâ€™t want to be fed with Godâ€™s word anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken, we have not received any comments here from the discernment ministries involved against the idea that if you obey God, then you are/must offend the MAJORITY of people (specifically Christians).  I don&#039;t think it is a matter of not understanding.  Mike is a good writer, and makes his points very clear.  I am not too sure what we are not understanding.  This wasn&#039;t about &quot;the Emergent centered on self rebellion against the Bible&quot; at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken, we have not received any comments here from the discernment ministries involved against the idea that if you obey God, then you are/must offend the MAJORITY of people (specifically Christians).  I don&#8217;t think it is a matter of not understanding.  Mike is a good writer, and makes his points very clear.  I am not too sure what we are not understanding.  This wasn&#8217;t about &#8220;the Emergent centered on self rebellion against the Bible&#8221; at all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, I ask...

Ken, from one brother in Christ to another, why the hostility?

Under the same Sun,

Neil S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, I ask&#8230;</p>
<p>Ken, from one brother in Christ to another, why the hostility?</p>
<p>Under the same Sun,</p>
<p>Neil S.</p>
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