Ken Silva is constantly attacking the Southern Baptist Convention as being man-lovers, doctrinally unsound and in his latest post, “rapidly apostatizing”. The funny thing is, Ken Silva has chosen to be a member of the very same organization. He subscribes to their doctrinal statement, belongs to a state association… heck, he even is the pastor of Connecticut River BAPTIST church. You can click on the New Hampshire Baptist Association Website and find his name on the roster of men who are a part of, and support the SBC. Does it make sense to anyone why Ken would choose to be a part of a denomination (that he can leave at any time) that he considers to be falling into apostasy.
One might say that he is trying to “fix the situation” from the inside. But, if that is the case, he sure has a strange way of going about it. It doesn’t seem to help when you call the president a “man-lover” and then write public blogs about how doctrinally off base they are for the world to see. In another article today, he said it is like “wading through a spiritual cesspool.” Now that Ken has worked up enough nerve to call his organization apostatizing, one has to wonder… why ya still there Kenny boy?
“It is always better to light a candle than to sit and shout at the darkness”
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Nathan,
You do really make this too easy.
You note yourself I feel the SBC is “falling into apostasy,” as in – isn’t there yet. You do know your precious Mosaic is affiliated with the SBC, right. By the way, how do you know what steps I have taken “inside” and “off-line?” O yeah; that’s right, you don’t.
I’m afraid you show your ignorance of my work with this statement: “Now that Ken has worked up enough nerve to call his organization apostatizing.” I’ve been speaking out about the SBC for years.
Nice try though Nathan. Maybe one of these days you’ll get me, but that time hasn’t arrived yet son.
“It is always better to light a candle than to sit and shout at the darknessâ€
So define what the candle is.
The usual metaphor sans substance.
Shouting the Word is the light btw.
On the other hand you guys would organize a coffee klatch.
Stanley,
Would you pass the sugar please…
Yes Ollie I most certainly will!
Hmm, Stanley ol’ chap; do you suppose the title of this screed above ought to be “Eat Your Own” as opposed to “Eat You Own?”
I have to agree with Ken here this post is weak. I am a member of AG but I have a lot to say about it. No denomination is perfect.
Ken has been a hypocrite for a long time. If his denomination was in such apostasy, he should have left a long time ago (but then of course, he wouldn’t have the piece of paper on his wall that still makes him little more than a glorified home Bible Study leader).
No ad hominem and judgement there, eh Mr. Lyons.
Ken,
It seems you fit the bill… so we need cry wolf as we see ‘em… gotta protect the flock from those who go about trying to devour the weak and young ones…
Blessings,
iggy
I was judged by Mike Rattliff as i was asking why he was part of CRN… as he seems to distance himself and what he writes from the others there… (His words not mine, I only pointed out he was different and did not seem to fit… but he proved me wrong later.) He said God called him to be there… so I should not judge him… So i said if God called you there I will not argue against that…
I pointed out that God also called me to the emerging movement, he did not respond…
so it seems that God can call those at CRN to stay and “fight from the inside” while others can’t… this seems more than hypocritical… like hypocrisy with compound interest! LOL!
Still no answers from Ken…
So Ken will you give us rain or shine tomorrow? Have you finished counting the stars after you set them in the expanse of space? How many hairs do I have on my head? Oh, don’t answer that one… I seem to have less every day!!!!!
Blessings,
iggy
iggy,
Are you really as ignorant as you portray yourself here?
Ken,
Maybe more, but it is the foolishness of Christ I preach!!!!
It seems to confound the “wisdom of this world” so I am not surprised it seems strange to you…
Blessings,
iggy
No iggy, I’m afraid you just appear a fool and a dreamer.
“You do know your precious Mosaic is affiliated with the SBC, right.”
Proud of it! Wait… that makes you and Erwin McManus partners in the same organization. You hold to the same doctrinal statement as Mosaic, yet you continue to cut your partner down.
“I’ve been speaking out about the SBC for years.”
I know, and yet you refuse to leave. You do not use constructive measures for change… you publicly insult your own denomination. I don’t care what you are doing privately, your public ministry negates any healthy or constructive actions you are taking. You pit yourself as an enemy to the organization you pledge allegiance to.
“Nice try though Nathan. Maybe one of these days you’ll get me, but that time hasn’t arrived yet son.”
What isn’t there to get?
1. Ken is a part of the SBC
2. Ken says the SBC is “rapidly apostatizing”
3. Ken says the SBC’s president is a “man-lover”
4. Ken writes countless blogs about how wrong the SBC is
5. Ken remains a part of the SBC
Chris is right… if you left, few denominations would let you hang that paper on the wall.
Chris P.
since you don’t get metaphors, let me explain.
It is better to do something about the problem than publically bash the people you associate with. I don’t care what you say… calling someone a “man-lover” to the world is not helping.
Ken,
Your love for me seems so Christ like…
The foolishness you speak of seems to expose you for what you are…
Matthew 5:22
blessings,
iggy
Nathan,
O please, how shallow you appear in your understanding: “an enemy to the organization you pledge allegiance to.” No true Christian pledges allegiance to any earthly organization.
And again, same thing: “few denominations would let you hang that paper on the wall.” Like I need any paper to tell me what Christ called me to be long before any group of men “ordained” me. Apparently you don’t even know what ordiantion is. The SBC men who ordained me did so because they recognized God had already called me as pastor-teacher.
Then you further show how childish your understanding of the Christian faith is: “calling someone a ‘man-lover’ to the world is not helping.” I guess you must be using an edited Bible removing John the Baptist calling the crowds coming to be baptized a “brood of vipers.” And no Matthew 23 or John 8.
iggy,
You already called me a wolf i.e. false teacher preying on the flock and then stupidly signed your usual “blessings.” So you bless unbeliving wolves like me who are preying on the weak in Christ’s flock?! Yeah, very Christ-like on your part. Get real.
Ken,
Jesus told us to beware of wolves… and that is what you are… but i have confidence in God that He can change that!
blessings,
iggy
iggy,
You really don’t get it, do you? You are saying I am an unbelieving wolf preying upon Christ’s flock. And then you are so foolish as to “bless” me? We are to love our enemies but not to bless ravenous wolves. So if you think this of me then you must oppose me, not bless me. At least be a man. You’re going to lose, but you should at least try.
Ken,
So Jesus was foolish when he said, “bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.”
Or when Paul stated: “Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.”
Do you agree with these statements or not?
I would rather live as Christ stated: Woe to you when all men speak well of you, for that is how their fathers treated the false prophets. “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
So, do you love me Ken?
blessings and love,
iggy
BTW, Ken, this is getting monotonous… if you want to put me down you can email me and do it all you want… but I for one am planning to take this weekend off from this rather sad display from you…
iggy,
The point is we are to love our enemies and bless our enemies, however when a wolf gets into the sheep pen you have to remove it, possibly even kill it. This is the context you placed me in.
According to you I am preying on the sheep so you can’t just sit on the fence with a stupid grin on your face saying: Bless Ken.
Ken,
You remove it… but work at restoring it… Kill it… murder is a sin… wow, this really shows your heart…
“Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him.”
So, Ken, can I tell you about Jesus and how he exchanged my life for His? For it is Christ alone we have eternal life…
Blessings,
iggy
No Ken, that’s what you think. You see, just because you disagree with someone does not make them a wolf. You seem to put people in either category. Here, we believe that you can disagree with someone but still agree to be brothers.
You have constantly questioned my place with God and even hinted at my salvation. While I strongly disagree with your approach in “correcting” the church, I still consider you a brother. A very confused brother, but a brother none the less.
Nathan,
Seriously, check your facts before you put your foot in your mouth on a bigger level. I’m nobody but one of these days your rushing to judgment will cause you a big problem.
“No Ken, that’s what you think.” Ask iggy, if he’s a man he’ll tell you that he did call me a wolf. Truthfully it means nothing to me because he couldn’t be more wrong, but he did say it. So word of advice, check your facts friend, then speak.
Ken,
I think you need to really go back and re-read these last two comment threads and how you are acting… it may be a bit eye opening… try to see yourself as if you did not even know you… like you are someone else and see what you see…
It could be cathartic for you…
Blessings,
iggy
Ken,
A wolf can still be saved… they may be just in error… in that it is best to work toward reconciliation than to “kill them”…
Which is weird you use those words and then threaten me…
Blessings,
iggy
Ken,
I think you have misconstrued what Iggy means symbolically by you being a “wolf”.
1) One possibility is that you are an unbeliever attacking the flock for the purpose of deception and leading them away from Christ.
2) The second possibility is that you are a believer, zealous for the Lord, attacking and destroying the church from within. This would be in the tradition of Torquemada (which is an apt comparison I’ve made before ), Cotton Mather and Cardinal Wolsey.
If you read Iggy in context (which I realize is something difficult for you to do), it is this second possibility that Iggy seems to point to. Rather than a wolf, though, I would liken you to a rabid watchdog, who attacks friend and foe alike, and just needs to be put out of service.
Been out at my daughter’s college choir concert and look at what I missed.
#1 Guys, I get your metaphors, I am merely tired of them.
#2 CRN is not devouring the flock. Men like McClaren, Sweet,Warren, etc who look so fluffy and sheepish are the wolves in sheep’s clothing.
Theyare also smarmy, ivory tower, theological eggheads who are getting fat on their book deals.
A shepherd who is not a hireling will either drive the wolves away or kill them off.
John 10 tells us that all who come before Jesus are thieves and robbers, and that the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.This is not Satan as is commonly taught.The thief also gets into the sheep pen over the fence or under it but they do not enter through the gate which is Christ.
These days will prove who are hirelings and who are not.
The only way to prove anything is to be out in the thick of it.
Ken is where he should be.
The assumption here, and elsewhere, is that we are a bunch of bloggers who are sitting at home “nitpicking” at the church.
I think I will post very soon on what my church does and has been doing. I am not an inside the walls person and neither are the other leadership in my church. We recently had another peyote’ priest come to the Lord. The only way you do that is to go to places most people will not go.I am busy, and tired and may God get the glory!
The only way to destroy darkness is to bring the light into it.
The same goes for the SBC and all other denominations.
Chris L.,
“If you read Iggy in context (which I realize is something difficult for you to do), it is this second possibility that Iggy seems to point to.” The new evangelical paradigm in a nutshell, say nothing and say it sarcastically. O, you pontificate what iggy “seems to” be saying and he’s running like a dog with his tail between his legs.
That right guys, make sure we don’t actually make any real stands ala Rev. 3:16. Spiritual sissies. Then you say, “just needs to be put out of service.” Any time you want to come and give it a try you won’t have to look hard to find me, I’ll be right in front of you – “brother.”
Ken,
Your poor prooftexting of the letter to Laodicea shows that you truly have no understanding of Biblical exegesis.
If we were sissies, we’d just let you go on slandering and ravaging the body of Christ without a word in response. Certainly, you are a pastor/shepherd, and God has spoken to you in Ezekiel 34.
Please, Ken – get a life and put away your poison pen.
Ken,
When have i ran from you? LOL!!!!!
I think if one reads this or much of me, will see I am not a runner… i have stood face to face with you… and you run and tuck tail and do not give an answer… on sarcasm… but not answer… in that i just smile… (not too smugly) as you dig a deeper hole for yourself…. for I agree I am a fool that leans only on God’s grace. I boast in my weakness and you mock that too…
I quote scripture and you mock that…
I say I love you and even pray for you and you mock that…
It seems that you have no answers and so you turn to mockery… like a school yard bully… I only pointed out you fly was down and you go… .”oh, yeah?” then take a swing…
So, Ken, even with your unveiled threats last night i am still here… or rather I am out doing some ministry today, but will always still be here…
You lie about me, I correct it then you lie again…
So, I think it is clear what you are…
Blessings,
iggy
Chris P.
Is John MacArthur getting fat on his book deals? I don’t know what he does with his money. Rick Warren says he gives 90% of his money to the work of the church. If he is lying, I don’t know. I should not assume what he or MacArthur are doing with their money. I know that John Piper has a policy that he receives a salary from his church and all books are owned by Desiring God Ministries of which he receives zero.
My point is that rather than judge what we don’t know, let’s judge what we know. I see McLaren saying things that deny the truth of Scripture so I avoid him. I see Osteen preach a prosperity Gospel, so I avoid him. I see Warren and MacArthur preaching the true Word of God in different styles. In both of their megachurches, folks are coming to know Christ, becoming mature disciples, and bearing fruit in the world.
Now Chris, I know there are a lot of stories out there of churches that adopted a purpose driven program and supposedly kicked out members of their church. Those pastors have erred but that is not Warren’s fault. Most of the folks I have heard though did not complain about biblical preaching, but rather that their favorite hymns were not being sung. You see, a church that adopts MacArthur’s style will lose members as well because they don’t like his style. Every church, regardless of style, should preach the Gospel, worship the Lord in reverence, and serve a cup of cold water to one in need
Press On,
Darren