Again, I am not saying that one cannot learn from tapes or listening to the radio or whatever and be very effective… but I think it a bit dishonest to represent oneself as if they sat directly under that teacher… or use that as some sort of defense.

If one is called, then stand on that calling… I don’t see the need to justify ourselves (God has done that very well) and we are all directly under the Holy Spirits training and discipleship as Followers of Jesus.

Blessings,
iggy

In the past many were self-taught in some areas, through books as opposed to having a teacher, and were able to learn quite well – good ol’ Abe, for example.

I have listened to hours of Walter Martin tapes and teachings… along with hours of other great teachers. Yet, to listen to tapes is not the same thing as:

“I have also been specifically trained in counter-cult evangelism”

Interestingly I think I may know just as much if not more on this topic as you… yet would never make this sort of claim… why? Honesty for one thing… I do not want people to think I was “trained” as in worked under directly or was in a classroom and actually interacted with the person training me.

So, at least elsewhere you have been honest enough to say it was on “tapes” you have been trained but to say this to “harry” was very misleading and dishonest… which I give could be unintentional as it is often out of insecurity we want to sound bigger than we are. I know I have been guilty of this in ways myself… until God opened my eyes to see it.

Again, Ken… I think that IF God has called you as you believe… then this questioning of you “training” or credentials would not even be an issue. In fact I have a bit more “training” than you and feel no need to defend myself about how/where/when/who my training came from or was taught by.

I was directly disciples under a few great men… in fact I actually met one and he knows my name! I took courses from him and am credited to teach his stuff and start small groups and advertise if I want using his name…

I respect this man yet found I do disagree on minor things… and do not do this as I do not want to mislead people to think I agree in all things with this man as I once did.

Now… I think the issue is not Tim… but Ken who seems to need to prove how great he is to everyone so don’t hide behind Chris Lyons (respectfully) as it sounds rather insincere coming from you.

Blessings,
iggy

Lies. You’ve taken this entire thread off course. But we’ll let you get back to your regularly scheduled pissing contest with everyone not named Ingrid.

Ken,
So do you miss your long hair or do you still have it?

Then what does your belaboring this point say about you? If you really wish to know that perhaps I’m involved in justa wee bit more than you might think you can go here:

http://www.apprising.org/archives/2007/06/churched_aharry.html

Beyond this I have nothing further to say here. Believe it or not, while Chris Lyons and I differ vigorously, I do respect him and don’t want to take his websote here any further off the course he feels it should be on.

The point that you have a small church mean nothing.. but the point that a rather healthy sized church diminished because you “cleaned house” seems to indicate that you are missing that a healthy church should have sinners in it… like Corinth as example and the Churches John addresses in his epistles…. you should have a mixture of mature, young, seeking, and curiosity seekers… (the latter is more just some passing through)

Yet, it seems if they did not agree with Ken, then it was goodbye… I think maybe some in that church may have had more discernment than you might realize…

be blessed,
iggy

Maybe a word of knowledge… maybe not… but the other option would be that you are so full of yourself that you think that God has some really special anointing on you that no one else can have… and that is sicker and a sign of a cult leader… or like a Benny Hinn type who declares that “no one should speak against the anointed of God.” Which is a very bad understanding of the scriptural teachings on that topic… David spoke of not harming Saul… because he was anointed of God… yet God was no longer pleased with Saul…

Other and a few “anointed” for other reason… Jesus is the only Anointed One… and you are not even close to His league… so I will not even attempt to go there….

So either you are under some bad false teachings of “anointing” which sounds close to that of Benny Hinn… or you are doing your selective hearsay hunt for other reasons… which seem self serving…

So which is it?

Blessings,
iggy

that’s just so…over the top…

Anyway.
Gotta run.
Found a nice copy of the Institutes to urinate on.

gimme a break.