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	<title>Comments on: Dr. StrangeKen or: How I learned to stop worrying and love the dirty dirty hippies</title>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2007 07:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But to deviate from the truth for the sake of some prospect of hope of our own can never be wise, however slight that deviation may be. It is not our judgment of the situation which can show us what is wise, but only the truth of the Word of God. Here alone lies the promise of God&#039;s faithfulness and help. It will always be true that the wisest course for the disciple is always to abide solely by the Word of God in all simplicity.&quot; -Dietrich Bonhoeffer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But to deviate from the truth for the sake of some prospect of hope of our own can never be wise, however slight that deviation may be. It is not our judgment of the situation which can show us what is wise, but only the truth of the Word of God. Here alone lies the promise of God&#8217;s faithfulness and help. It will always be true that the wisest course for the disciple is always to abide solely by the Word of God in all simplicity.&#8221; -Dietrich Bonhoeffer</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 13:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly,

I have several posts that are extremely condescending towards Ken.  All of them are riffing on his love for titles.  They may have been a bit over the line, but hardly on the level of the bombastic nastiness for which Ken has been known.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly,</p>
<p>I have several posts that are extremely condescending towards Ken.  All of them are riffing on his love for titles.  They may have been a bit over the line, but hardly on the level of the bombastic nastiness for which Ken has been known.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 12:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly...

&quot;You criticize Ken for personal attacks â€” and then I read a blog post of yours from your blog â€” I see you calling him â€œKennoâ€ and such. Slightly condescending at best I may add. &quot;


I believe the big difference is that for some of us, there is a bit of affection for Ken... we love him in spite of his views... which I seem to sense from how he treats me... is not reciprocated...

Be Blessed,
iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;You criticize Ken for personal attacks â€” and then I read a blog post of yours from your blog â€” I see you calling him â€œKennoâ€ and such. Slightly condescending at best I may add. &#8221;</p>
<p>I believe the big difference is that for some of us, there is a bit of affection for Ken&#8230; we love him in spite of his views&#8230; which I seem to sense from how he treats me&#8230; is not reciprocated&#8230;</p>
<p>Be Blessed,<br />
iggy</p>
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		<title>By: clearly</title>
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		<dc:creator>clearly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In fairness to the Dr. Witherington point, Ben doesn&#039;t really have a problem with anything that Rob is teaching besides the fact that he is relying heavily upon an outdated source for much of his research on rabbis, 1st century Judaism, etc. 

You criticize Ken for personal attacks --- and then I read a blog post of yours from your blog --- I see you calling him &quot;Kenno&quot; and such. Slightly condescending at best I may add. 

I can&#039;t see this discussion going anywhere positive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In fairness to the Dr. Witherington point, Ben doesn&#8217;t really have a problem with anything that Rob is teaching besides the fact that he is relying heavily upon an outdated source for much of his research on rabbis, 1st century Judaism, etc. </p>
<p>You criticize Ken for personal attacks &#8212; and then I read a blog post of yours from your blog &#8212; I see you calling him &#8220;Kenno&#8221; and such. Slightly condescending at best I may add. </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see this discussion going anywhere positive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: robbymac</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbymac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 00:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favourite prof&#039;s in seminary was/is Terrence Tieseen (author of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Who-Can-Saved-Reassessing-Salvation/dp/0830827471/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/102-7127895-2778544?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1184028922&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Who Can Be Saved?&lt;/a&gt;). He is a staunch Calvinist, but I have rarely seen such a gracious attitude towards Wesleyans, Mennonites, and even Open Theists. He had some hard questions for everybody, but he &lt;b&gt;never&lt;/b&gt; lowered himself to name-calling, sarcastic use of straw men, or speaking in a condescending way towards anyone -- whether a student in the class, or even an author he disasgreed strongly with.

He remains one of my favourite Calvinists, along with emerging/missional/post-charismatic/Calvinist blogger &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.subversiveinfluence.com/wordpress&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Brother Maynard&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favourite prof&#8217;s in seminary was/is Terrence Tieseen (author of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Who-Can-Saved-Reassessing-Salvation/dp/0830827471/?tag=fishtheabys-20" rel="nofollow">Who Can Be Saved?</a>). He is a staunch Calvinist, but I have rarely seen such a gracious attitude towards Wesleyans, Mennonites, and even Open Theists. He had some hard questions for everybody, but he <b>never</b> lowered himself to name-calling, sarcastic use of straw men, or speaking in a condescending way towards anyone &#8212; whether a student in the class, or even an author he disasgreed strongly with.</p>
<p>He remains one of my favourite Calvinists, along with emerging/missional/post-charismatic/Calvinist blogger <a href="http://www.subversiveinfluence.com/wordpress" rel="nofollow">Brother Maynard</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Reed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Reed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen and amen.  One for Henry&#039;s words, and one for Phil&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and amen.  One for Henry&#8217;s words, and one for Phil&#8217;s.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry (Rick) Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry (Rick) Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still contend that while Arminianism that goes awry brings shallowness, Calvinism to the extreme brings judgmental pride. I hope all the modern day Puritans realize that the real Puritans would consider them hedonistic apostates.

There is no New Tesatment office or calling named as a watchman, and certainly not a watchwoman. That is a contrivance of man to elevate himself as a doctrinal warrior, slashing and burning his way through the body of Christ like Sherman heading for Atlanta.

And if you will notice there is never a discussion of disagreement among themselves, and someone like me is a traitor in their eyes. And they talk of Jesus as a doctrinal pawn, a Biblical character that they dress up and make His head constantly nodding in approval over His valiant soldiers.

It is impossible to verbally reveal the love and grace and mercy of Christ, but many do not even try. And true enough it is impossible to reveal the coming wrath of God also. But our conversation must be seasoned with salt and full of grace. Humility must be our credibility and our revelation of grace such that we would be accused of condoning sin, as Paul said.

Where did the true love for the brethren go, and where did the axehead of love sink. It is possible to contend for the faith while bathed in demonstrable love, it is just that so many today have envisioned a carnal battle instead of overcoming evil with good.

The Lord of Justice, with every right to judge us all, infinitely condescended to reach the most rebellious of us all, we who had gleefully trampled upon His law, and He offered us grace. And now, those of us who have partaken of that grace have none for others. I sincerely believe that one principle at the core of some of this visciouness is that many do not believe Christ died for everyone.

It is very sad, because, He did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still contend that while Arminianism that goes awry brings shallowness, Calvinism to the extreme brings judgmental pride. I hope all the modern day Puritans realize that the real Puritans would consider them hedonistic apostates.</p>
<p>There is no New Tesatment office or calling named as a watchman, and certainly not a watchwoman. That is a contrivance of man to elevate himself as a doctrinal warrior, slashing and burning his way through the body of Christ like Sherman heading for Atlanta.</p>
<p>And if you will notice there is never a discussion of disagreement among themselves, and someone like me is a traitor in their eyes. And they talk of Jesus as a doctrinal pawn, a Biblical character that they dress up and make His head constantly nodding in approval over His valiant soldiers.</p>
<p>It is impossible to verbally reveal the love and grace and mercy of Christ, but many do not even try. And true enough it is impossible to reveal the coming wrath of God also. But our conversation must be seasoned with salt and full of grace. Humility must be our credibility and our revelation of grace such that we would be accused of condoning sin, as Paul said.</p>
<p>Where did the true love for the brethren go, and where did the axehead of love sink. It is possible to contend for the faith while bathed in demonstrable love, it is just that so many today have envisioned a carnal battle instead of overcoming evil with good.</p>
<p>The Lord of Justice, with every right to judge us all, infinitely condescended to reach the most rebellious of us all, we who had gleefully trampled upon His law, and He offered us grace. And now, those of us who have partaken of that grace have none for others. I sincerely believe that one principle at the core of some of this visciouness is that many do not believe Christ died for everyone.</p>
<p>It is very sad, because, He did.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 23:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m actually reading &quot;The Problem With Evangelical Theology&quot; by Dr. Witherington, and it seems he is quite good at disagreeing with people without being hostile.  The amazing thing is that man is a genuine NT scholar, but he seems to treat people with genuine respect.  You can even see it in how he responds to the comments on his blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually reading &#8220;The Problem With Evangelical Theology&#8221; by Dr. Witherington, and it seems he is quite good at disagreeing with people without being hostile.  The amazing thing is that man is a genuine NT scholar, but he seems to treat people with genuine respect.  You can even see it in how he responds to the comments on his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jul 2007 22:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

You are so right that there are some really good discernment ministries out there... And I am not opposed to someone not agreeing with &quot;my favorite people&quot;. 

I see that someone can be fair and even friendly in their critique which may actually gain more influence than slander and name calling as SoL and CRN seem to thinks works.

I have had many conversations with people who love me and disagree with me and have pointed out where I may not have seen or thought through on something... In that it is often also that these can also learn from me and others.

To set up a fortress and declare oneself as the sole purveyor of truth... and then gun down all that disagree... seems so immature and childish. It lacks maturity to respect someone and actually talk to them as a person. 

It also shows a lack of maturity in that is seems to show that some think themselves greater than others... and forget we are all equal as we all die... and we all need a savior. To miss that point seems to me to miss the very heart of the Gospel... and to see SoL and CRN do as they do, all I see is the heart ripped out of the Gospel and all that is left is an angry God who hates mankind and will judge them..... No grace, mercy or love... just a very narrow view of justice.

Be Blessed,
iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>You are so right that there are some really good discernment ministries out there&#8230; And I am not opposed to someone not agreeing with &#8220;my favorite people&#8221;. </p>
<p>I see that someone can be fair and even friendly in their critique which may actually gain more influence than slander and name calling as SoL and CRN seem to thinks works.</p>
<p>I have had many conversations with people who love me and disagree with me and have pointed out where I may not have seen or thought through on something&#8230; In that it is often also that these can also learn from me and others.</p>
<p>To set up a fortress and declare oneself as the sole purveyor of truth&#8230; and then gun down all that disagree&#8230; seems so immature and childish. It lacks maturity to respect someone and actually talk to them as a person. </p>
<p>It also shows a lack of maturity in that is seems to show that some think themselves greater than others&#8230; and forget we are all equal as we all die&#8230; and we all need a savior. To miss that point seems to me to miss the very heart of the Gospel&#8230; and to see SoL and CRN do as they do, all I see is the heart ripped out of the Gospel and all that is left is an angry God who hates mankind and will judge them&#8230;.. No grace, mercy or love&#8230; just a very narrow view of justice.</p>
<p>Be Blessed,<br />
iggy</p>
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