Comments on: On Prejudice, Word-Tossing and Taking You Seriously

By: Julie

Julie — Fri, 03 Aug 2007 16:09:00 +0000

…and that’s the post on my site where I used questionable language.

Great.

There goes my credibility.

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 19:06:30 +0000

Then what would be the difference between those who say that only God can make a sinner seek Him, and those who agree with that but believe God has planted that within every man? Isn’t it just a matter of timing and breadth?

By: phil

phil — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:15:19 +0000

Rick,
The issue seems to be that the ODMs are accusing anyone who says that salvation requires any effort from us, to be Semi-Pelagian. They are using the term without knowing what it means, apparently.

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:10:43 +0000

I’m pretty sure God has already made the first move toward man and that the Spirit draws sinners to the move. How complicated everything seems to be.

Since I did not know those definitions, am I saved? If not I better run toward God. Oh yea, I can’t.

By: phil

phil — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:04:15 +0000

Rick, Sorry, I was being lazy the first time. Here it is.

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 18:02:51 +0000

Can’t find it. Does it mean works salvation?

By: phil

phil — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:53:48 +0000

Rick,
If you look at the article on Chris’s blog (click the “more” link here), you’ll see a link to a wikipedia article that explains the terms.

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:50:39 +0000

Somebody give me the definition of plagian and semi-plagian. I never felt the need to know until now.

By: Chris L

Chris L — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:44:30 +0000

Yes, phil, though I suspect that the verse you cited (and others) would either be hidden in the bucket (I posted about the other day), or reasoned away via a convoluted explanation that Jesus didn't really mean "seek".

By: phil

phil — Thu, 02 Aug 2007 17:39:34 +0000

I wonder if Jesus would be considered “Semi-Pelagian” now:

Luke 12:31
“But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.”