Comments on: Silly Watchdoggie Tricks

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:25:21 +0000

I would not label Warren’s teachings an abomination, for if you use up your abomination card what do call Mormonism etc.? I have come to understand the Purpose model as overly pragmatic, presenting the salvation experience and the corresponding Christian life as something that can be described in “easy steps” type of language that removes the Spirit from the understanding and manages the person through a 2 + 2 = 4 process.

It is a well intentioned attempt to “seal the deal” with as many folks as possible via a formula that almost anyone who isn’t a rabid atheist can participate in. The hoops that can be jumped through are so low and so convenient that there is no call for any sacrifice, any counting the cost, and anything other than heaven and a better life. That is just not so and the considerations of this life in the Scripture are not only irrelevant, they must be negatively at least on the table.

So just like the seeker model, the purpose model dumbs down the understanding into a neat package that especially Americans can complete within the time it takes to drive to the grocery store. Exercizing saving faith is momentary, the process can take days, weeks, and sometimes years of work by the Spirit. These pragmatic formulas that are complete with introduction, explanation, and consumation of the conversion experience do a disservice to the spiritual quality of the born again experience.

By: iggy

iggy — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 03:54:11 +0000

Funny thing is I have a book by John MacArthur book called,

Found: God’s Will
subtitled (now get this one!)

God wants to give your life direction and purpose.

http://www.gty.org/meetgty.php?section=fullbio

Now, God John used to teach that God has a purpose for your life… yet Jim Bublitz calls that teaching an abomination…

And these guys mock the PDL model!

Here is the kicker as I see it.

God has a direction and purpose for your life yet it better not drive you anywhere…

Actually Mac is wrong… God does not have a purpose for any one’s life… God did not come to live in our life… He did not come to live in our little Kingdom of our heart… God sent Jesus to give us New Life… and to bring us into His Kingdom…

At least Rick Warren moves into that direction while JM teaches the Kingdom is “only spiritual now” and is to come later… I guess he does not believe in the Resurrection that ushered in the Kingdom and New Creation.

These guys are so full of contradiction that they are blind with all their knowledge… it has surely puffed them up!

Blessings,
iggy

By: nathan

nathan — Sat, 25 Aug 2007 00:06:30 +0000

What got me was the lack of value they have for martyrs. Apparently they don’ think dying for your faith was God’s perfect plan or purpose for these people’s lives. Oh well

By: dave

dave — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:39:30 +0000

Don’t you know?

Slice/C?N/OldTruth/etc… hate Rick Warren/PDL.

Slice/C?N/OldTruth/etc… hate Emergent.

Therefore, anything that Rick Warren does is Emergent. And anything Emergent does is “purpose driven.”

Anything to drive up site traffic and create confusion and dissension.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:09:14 +0000

Tim, you and Chris L. are my computer heroes. I don’t even know what a URL is.