Comments on: Love is hate, War is peace – 1984 Redux

By: CRN.Info and Analysis

CRN.Info and Analysis — Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:31:12 +0000

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By: robbymac

robbymac — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 07:09:14 +0000

Thanks for the heads-up, Nathan, but I’m still thinkin’ that playing AC/DC in a church service is questionable at best.

Glad to hear that Gene & his bloody tongue were nowhere to be found, but perhaps I will reveal my knowledge of these bands by saying that (A) Gene Simmons was in KISS, not AC/DC, and (B) I’m one of the few who actually think that Brian Johnson’s voice was better than Bon Scott’s.

By: Chris L

Chris L — Fri, 31 Aug 2007 00:31:58 +0000

TJ,

I think that the topic of music was probably far enough off topic that most folks have held commenting to avoid a complete threadjacking…

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:37:59 +0000

TJ – I only read eight commandments, I never liked the other two.

By: T.J.

T.J. — Thu, 30 Aug 2007 23:14:50 +0000

uh…either the comments have closed or I’ve blown some minds…OR….the pastors are reading the 10 commandments

By: T.J.

T.J. — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 21:18:27 +0000

Chris, I think Perry’s heart is in the right place but we have to take a hard look at the church in America…..we want to get people saved..right….saved from WHAT? sin….but not too many preach on it….the highway to hell…we’re all on it apart from Christ. Can’t we preach it without having coffins in the pulpit? Can’t we look LESS LIKE THE WORLD? It seems like we don’t. In gasping and desperately trying to reach them it seems like we wanna be liked. Hey we’re cool….we’re like you, got lots of tatts. come to Jesus….hey we drink too….slam back some brewskies in church and open the Bible….come to Jesus…..hey we’re cool, our Pastor rocks out to Def leppard….why we even gave away tix to the reunion tour in youth group…..come to Jesus….you want church to be exciting…we got POWER ROCK MUSIC like AC/DC to rock your world…..is it bait and switch….or is it just …COME TO OUR CHURCH COZ WE WILL DO ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING YOU WANT…we’ll take surveys to”see what you want in a church”…we’ll plop MOVIES AND MORE MOVIES into “kids minsitry” so your rug rats won’t interfere with the “big adult ministry” we’re doing…they’ll just sit there and watch The Incredibles, Shrek and whatever else is lying around in the kids minsitry room. Come to Jesus……we have lots and lots of coffe to tank up on…don’t worry about “preparing your heart for the service”….come on in with a full plate from Ponderosa, wedge on in the theatre seating…fill your gut and watch the show….I mean….”hear the word of the Lord preached….”
THE LORD? Where is the LORD JESUS in any and all of this? When the “worship music” begins is anyone’s MIND AND HEART EVEN ON THE LORD JESUS? I mean…He must weep , service after service…..Chuck Smith had it right with the old hippies who got saved in the Jesus movement….teach the bible….VERSE AFTER VERSE…line after line…precept upon precept….are ya teaching your “new converts” the 10 commandments? That’s a good place for starters….they’ve been off the walls in the school house FOR YEARS……they’re mocked and ridiculed..start with a 10 weeks series on the 10 commandments….do the “series wrap up” with the final two Jesus mentioned and there ya go….some discipleship 101…..

but THAT MEANS…the PASTORS….THE SHEPHERDS OF THE FLOCK will have to dust them off….study them….see where society has missed the mark and then fill in the reasons why America is in the state she is in. We need LESS PAXIL and more 10 commandments…..

By: nate

nate — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 02:48:49 +0000

robbymac,
not to accuse you or anything, but your last post is indicative that you did not watch the service you criticized. The youtube video would like you to believe that newspring got up and played the whole song. Like the sound, but hate the lyrics? Then you would have loved to watch the service online, because the music was played without the lyrics (and incidentally, Gene Simmons and his bloody mouth were nowhere to be found).

But you’d never know that from the deceptive video on youtube.

Again, I’m not trying to criticize you, just correct some misconceptions people may have about the video from newspring by watching the youtube video.

Rick,
your last comment was so perfectly spot on, I simply can no AMEN it enough!

chris,
I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the difference.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:32:22 +0000

Would it not be pleasant to see some brethren stretch us in the area of methodology while others provide some loving moorings and together we reach the lost? I mean some churches use some outrageous methods and bring in lost people while others sit and redigest the same doctrinal food continually and do not notice their light remains under a church shaped bushel.

I look at the AC/DC thing and I don’t approve but then I also don’t approve at my own diminutive effort to reach lost people. So for me only to express outrage without expressing the same outrage personally is abject hypocrisy.

That’s like watching a person feed ice cream to a starving child and criticizing him for the unhealthy food but not noticing that I haven’t made an effort to go feed the child some nutritional food THAT I CLAIM TO HAVE. Rank hypocrisy.

By: chris

chris — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:13:00 +0000

Man I wish I would have been an english major in college!

By: chris

chris — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 01:11:50 +0000

T.J. Again thanks for your story. I am beginning to see your point. And it makes sense.

But Perry deciding that playing Hells bells was the method he was going to use to convey his message was in poor taste does that qualify him for the “apostate of the month award”? Or is it possible to say his message was accurate but his method was plainly a bad decision?