The elusive editor recently wrote a post about this video of a baptism service at Elevation Church. The editor writes

Listen as Furtick tells you about his staff meeting where they had decided a “God-sized” number of baptisms for the year. And even as Furtick trumpets how they had exceded their “goal” ol’ Pastor Steve still has a little trouble reigning in his angry spirit:

Can you find the “chip” on the pastor’s shoulder in this video? This sounds like a classic case of church envy. I mean, they couldn’t say he was ashamed of the gospel, due to his very open gospel presentation. So I guess the next logical step would be to make fun of him because he has had too many baptisms. That sound like what Jesus would do, right? Right.

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1   David C    http://davidcho.blogspot.com
September 10th, 2007 at 11:48 am

When I saw that name “Furtick,” my eyes about popped out. Hadn’t had my coffee yet.

Ken Silva “the elusive editor” certainly should be mindful of the verse about the appearance of evil. A name like that certainly should appear evil to him while it just looks funny to the rest of us.

Ah…I am having Slice withdrawal. As ridiculous as Silva can be, he is no match for Ingrid. Looks like she switched to WordPress and is working on getting her site up again.

2   deborah    http://smallcorner.typepad.com
September 10th, 2007 at 12:10 pm

I wonder if the angry spirit had to do with the “stupid color of the stupid carpet” comment the pastor makes. It reminded me of the riff that Mike Yaconelli used to go off on – how some churches worry more about the carpet being stained than the people who do the staining.

If you feel strongly about your church building being treated like a shrine, that comment the pastor made would feel pretty biting.

3   M.G.    
September 10th, 2007 at 12:34 pm

Ken’s got an interesting piece up on his site titled “God sounding like a watchdoggie?” Is this unusual? I know that Ken justifies his behavior by comparing his actions to Christ or the prophets, but has he ever justified his behavior because of God’s right to judge and condemn all of humanity?

More importantly, is this blasphemous? Christ did not regard equality with God something to be grasped…

4   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 10th, 2007 at 12:39 pm

Man I would love to comment on the CRN site about this video and editorial. But alas they don’t like dialogue they only like diatribes.

M.G.

I would say that it’s par for the course with Ken.

5   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 10th, 2007 at 1:22 pm

M.G>

Ken has in the past delared himself God by using verses like this to show what he does is biblical… he misses that it is God that judges not Ken Silva…

Be blessed,
iggy

6   David C    http://davidcho.blogspot.com
September 10th, 2007 at 1:57 pm

Has Ken really declared himself God?

WOW!

I never thought the day would come when Ken would place himself above John MacArthur.

7   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 10th, 2007 at 3:37 pm

DT asked the other day in a thread about “Dialogue” and Ken responded something like “If I thought it would help I would dialogue”. Well here is a perfect example of Ken dialoguing:

Email correspondence with “Gerry”

8   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 10th, 2007 at 4:46 pm

chris,

That is pretty funny… how did you hack Ken’s sight and put that on there…

1. There is no way Ken would respond to actual questions.

2. And Ken would just give more links to follow that really mean nothing more than the original post that the question was about…

3. And Ken would then ramble on and on about how he knows more than a person who actually goes to that church and is under that teacher… he will go on and on about how they do not preach the “real gospel” and will throw in something about “arminian such and such”….

4. And again, for all Ken’s words he will never really address the original question but strut on about how “right” he is.

OK now I will go read it to see if this “letter to Gerry is real”…

Be Blessed,
iggy

9   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 10th, 2007 at 5:44 pm

Iggy,

That’s pretty funny that you know the content without reading the email.

how did you hack Ken’s sight and put that on there…

No need to hack the site. Pastor-teacher Ken likes to boast so it’s available for all to see.

As a youth pastor I wonder how long I could get away with “airing” publicly all the emails I get from people who have issues; with the whole world on the internet?

This post by Ken makes me wonder why DT, who objected to you doing the same thing, would not raise the issue to Ken? Oh that’s right Ken isn’t accountable. That and he doesn’t allow you to comment directly to him.

10   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 10th, 2007 at 5:47 pm

Never mind on a re-read I find why Ken is “allowed” to do that…

I’m going to present the following exchange for the edification of the reader in order for you to better understand the issues involved with this man-centered new evangelical seeker sensitive infomercial gospel preached by men like Furtick and his mentors such as Perry Noble and Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren. In order to protect anonymity I have also changed the person’s name:

emphasis mine…

11   Scotty    http://scottysplace-scotty.blogspot.com/
September 10th, 2007 at 7:42 pm

I really love Ken, I really do! I mean he’s the king of the adjectives…..he really makes me chuckle!

12   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 10th, 2007 at 10:35 pm

“I’m going to present the following exchange for the edification of the reader in order for you to better understand the issues involved with this man-centered new evangelical seeker sensitive infomercial gospel preached by men like Furtick and his mentors such as Perry Noble and Purpose Driven Pope Rick Warren. In order to protect anonymity I have also changed the person’s name:”

I was sooo edified… before and after I read it… Ken has become so predictable that it is not even worth reading anymore… how can one be edified by reading Ken is not even considering that he (with an invite even) can actually go and discuss his concerns (privately) before he goes public…

chris, I have asked DT (aka Todd Upchurch contributor here at Christian Research Net) this but he can’t seem to see the double standard… nor can he recognize that I have gone through the steps at least twice with Ken Silva… but alas… what of the facts of such things? Still i will note Todd is one of the nicest persons once you get to know him a bit… still a little stand offish… but he has been respectful at least.

Be Blessed,
iggy

13   robbymac    http://www.robbymac.org
September 10th, 2007 at 11:36 pm

Except that he writes “Gerry” in quotations, but also refers to the same guy as Andrew (without quotations) in the same article. So much for the “protecting anonymity”… :)

14   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 11th, 2007 at 12:52 am

robbymac,

Yeah… Gerry, Andrew, whatever, the article still only showed that Ken refuses to actually check out his fact as long as his own mind is made up… You know if Ken has done HIS research who cares what someone who is actually part of the church states as the facts. It just does not get as many hits to serve up real facts when you can listen to one sermon or read one article and make up you mind… I mean what if it was just a bad day at the pulpit? I am sure Ken has never had any of those before.

If it is sealed in the mind of Ken… it can never be wrong. LOL!

Be Blessed,
iggy

15   Brendt    http://csaproductions.com/blog/
September 11th, 2007 at 4:56 pm

I keep trying to figure out how anyone at CRN gets off talking about someone else having “a little trouble reigning in his angry spirit”.

Mr Kettle, Mr Pot is on line 2.

If I ever get a satisfactory answer to that, then I’ll go chip-hunting.