I have a lot of issues with Juanita Bynum’s ministry.  There is a lot to be said about her theology, teachings and even her current marital situation.  Having that said, this attack at CRN is simply unfair.  Bynum is divorcing her husband after he attacked her in a hotel parking lot.  There was apparently a history of abuse.  Now, if this was anyone else, the advise would be to get out as soon as possible before you are in serious danger.  However, the ever so elusive “editor” at CRN slips this little jab into the beginning of the story

“I hate divorce,” says the LORD God of Israel. (Malachi 2:16)

This is a classic case of using the scripture to passively and cruelly abuse people.  It’s not that this scripture isn’t true.  But I wonder if Ken the editor would barge into a battered women’s home and proclaim this over the bruised and battered women there.  It’s sad when the ODMs have to make underhanded attacks for headlines.  This one has nothing to do with the Word of Faith movement (as this article is categorized), but keeping their opinions about Bynum fresh.

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1   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 11th, 2007 at 10:15 pm

This post follows the usual template. Linked to a secular paper and as of yet I see no calls for prayer.

Serving Christian Dirt again.

2   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
September 11th, 2007 at 10:18 pm

“I see no calls for prayer.”

Didn’t happen to see one here from you either Rick.

3   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 11th, 2007 at 10:21 pm

You are correct and I was convicted as soon as I hit submit. Let us pray not only for Juanita and Pastor Weeks, let us pray for the body of Christ as a whole. We need a massive revival.

4   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
September 11th, 2007 at 10:31 pm

Amen.

5   Tim Reed    http://theotstrikesback.com
September 11th, 2007 at 10:38 pm

Ah yes, the cowardly editor strikes again.

6   David C    http://davidcho.blogspot.com
September 11th, 2007 at 10:42 pm

Has Ken denied being the “editor” or has he just been evasive?

Hey Ken, are you the “editor” of CRN?

Yes or no.

7   Tim Reed    http://theotstrikesback.com
September 11th, 2007 at 10:44 pm

David,
The editor of CRN can be any of the writers. It is an account they all have the ability to hide behind so no one has to claim responsiblity for their words. Ken will just come on here and say “I’m the general editor, not the editor”.

8   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 11th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

Ah Ken,
Didn’t you say you weren’t going to post here anymore? Did you change your mind? Why is that? I thought you were above the fray here.

9   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
September 11th, 2007 at 10:51 pm

“the cowardly editor strikes again…”

Oh, cuts us to the quick. Feel better when you call people names Tim?

*tsk tsk* Naughty, naughty watchdoggie watching the watchdoggies.

10   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
September 11th, 2007 at 10:53 pm

Joe,

All you have to do is just tell me to leave and I’m gone for good. C’mon sport, ya know you want to.

11   Jimmy@RelevantChristian    http://www.relevantchristian.com
September 11th, 2007 at 11:18 pm

Wow…until you have been in the situation where you know divorce is the only solution…you will never know the pain, shame and sense of failure.

12   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
September 11th, 2007 at 11:20 pm

I love how Ken comes on here, brings up trivial issues, never addresses the main subject and prances back to discernment land. The same blog that accuses everyone of abusing scripture has been called out and has noting to say about it.

13   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 12:03 am

To me this is yet another example that those at CRN are just abusive. They take every opportunity to attack someone even at a weak moment.

I find it ironic that someone accused me to using Ken as a punching bag… LOL!

Really it is more like JuJitsu… I ask a question, Ken gives a mocking reply which then using his moment (the swinging punch at me by Ken) to let him hit the floor… Ken ends up really making himself a punching bag and I really just let him do it… No punches needed on my part.

But then Ken can kick and punch other when they are down… or attack them viciously with name calling and give little to no actual biblical or incidental facts to back his opinion… I note he is a bit better than a year ago… he does use more “outside” sources other than the inbred linkage within his own website but still those are often just someone else who Ken founds agrees with him but then still give no real facts.

So, for all the accusations against myself and this site (which I am only a commentor on and often wonder if I cause poor Chris L more consternation than he may desire) as being abusive… is a joke compared to CRN when they do hit them while their down articles like this.

Be Blessed,
iggy

14   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 5:53 am

the cowardly editor strikes again…”

Oh, cuts us to the quick. Feel better when you call people names Tim?

Wow, Ken, you really need to brush up on ‘discernment’ – categorizing actions falls quite a ways short of ‘name-calling’ (which we are guilty of at times, admittedly), and your current use of the “editor” function is completely lacking in accountability and integrity, and fits the defintion of cowardice in journalism, independently defined.

All you have to do is just tell me to leave and I’m gone for good. C’mon sport, ya know you want to.

Your goading is so childish, Ken. In reality, every word you decide NOT to write is a blessing to readers across the globe… Every time you decide not to post your off-topic evasions here is a blessing to us (which is why you are on moderation, BtW).

When you decide to actually engage and answer, though, you are welcome…

15   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 12th, 2007 at 6:03 am

I can not figure out why Ken, Ingrid, Pyro, and the other 2 or 3 ODM’s don’t devote their time to the

edification

of the body.

Never mind I see a ‘rabbit hole’ devoloping.

16   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 12th, 2007 at 6:04 am

sorry hit quote instead of strong.

17   Tim Reed    http://theotstrikesback.com
September 12th, 2007 at 6:20 am

Oh, cuts us to the quick. Feel better when you call people names Tim?

Who, exactly, am I calling names Ken?

18   Joe    http://joemartino.name
September 12th, 2007 at 7:08 am

Ken,
Please let me encourage you to be a man of your word as befitting one called of God as a pastor/teacher. You said you were leaving. I just want to know why you’re not doing what you said you would do. Why isn’t your word bond, Cuz?

19   Chris P.    
September 12th, 2007 at 8:16 am

The battered wife should adhere to this admonition.

1 Cor 7:
“10To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband 11(but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.”

Let’s see if Juanita is a godly woman. My predicton is, she’ll re-marry to some tv preacher in short order. On her blog she “reassured” her followers that nothing will keep her from acheiving her destiny. I will tell you that I have been sleeping better since reading that.

As usual the true purpose of all posts here is to dog-pile upon Ken.

As for Juanita Bynum, does she represent the body of Christ?
Does anyone at TBN? Does anyone in the wof abomination?
I amazed at the willigness here to accept any and all who call themselves christian as valid. They are not true believers.
I do not receive them as brothers and sisters as they do not preach the Jesus, nor the gospe,l that is in the scriptures.
The news source is secular as Ms Bynum is “secular”.
My prayer is that no one in the Body of Christ is deceived by what is calling itself the “body of christ”
Jesus said we will know the false prophets by their “fruit”, which we have unfortunately reduced to mean pleasant personality traits.
We can kinow them now, not someday. Unfortunately in our haste to be “nice”, (which is not a “proof” of the unity of the body btw), we quote Jesus’ words but oh, who can really know who is a false prophet? Better to never say anything that sounds “critical”.
Once again we see what happens when love is not defined biblically

20   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 8:19 am

No Ken, you are welcome here. We are a friend to sinners, saved and lost.

21   Sandman    
September 12th, 2007 at 8:23 am

Here it is in context:

13 Another thing you do: You flood the LORD’s altar with tears. You weep and wail because he no longer pays attention to your offerings or accepts them with pleasure from your hands. 14 You ask, “Why?” It is because the LORD is acting as the witness between you and the wife of your youth, because you have broken faith with her, though she is your partner, the wife of your marriage covenant.

15 Has not the LORD made them one? In flesh and spirit they are his. And why one? Because he was seeking godly offspring. So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith with the wife of your youth.

16 “I hate divorce,” says the LORD God of Israel, “and I hate a man’s covering himself with violence as well as with his garment,” says the LORD Almighty.
So guard yourself in your spirit, and do not break faith.

Puts things in a different light now.

I also find it amazing that some will forgive a murderer, a thief, a liar, a rapist, a drug user and the like without a thought, but you’re the whore of Babylon if you divorce.

22   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 8:31 am

Chris P.

I’m not sure you could qualify this article as a “dogpile on Ken”, since the ever-elusive “editor” posted the referenced article, thus making nobody accountable for it…

23   Joe Martino    http://www.joemartino.name
September 12th, 2007 at 8:33 am

Chris P.
If you are addressing me as piling on Ken, I sincerely want to know why Ken said he’s not coming back and then he’s here.

24   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 9:08 am

Joe,

I agree, though I do want to emphasize he is welcome though I will no longer engage in just juvenile exchanges with him as he seems to not really care to give answers if someone asks a question.

I will call him on his immaturity as to how he answers others though… (And will try to do better to not answer in kind myself)

Be Blessed,
iggy

25   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 12th, 2007 at 9:24 am

1 Cor 7:
“10To the married I give this charge (not I, but the Lord): the wife should not separate from her husband 11(but if she does, she should remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband), and the husband should not divorce his wife.”

Huh??? Once’s again I’m baffled by Chris P. I mean I understand the scripture but I’m not certain how it justifies the “piling” on of Juanita that CRN engaged in.

26   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 9:35 am

Chris P., your observations are valid. Juanita does not represent real Christianity not because of her divorce, but because of the health and wealth doctrine she espouses. My point is that reformed people get divorced, and Luther got drunk, that has no bearing on Scriptural truth.

Expose her doctrine, take issue with her teaching, etc., etc., but do not join hands with the world to “inform” people of her personal misery. If Sproul got divorced would it be met with such an expose? And when a reformed pastor is caught in immorality does that negate his doctrinal stand?

That is my disagreement with dirt peddling, it cuts both ways and it has no bearing whatever truth the person taught.

27   Joe Martino    http://www.joemartino.name
September 12th, 2007 at 9:41 am

Iggy,
Of course all are welcome but let’s be honest there is a pattern amongst some. Essentially they say, “That’s it! I’m taking my bat and going home!” Next day, they’re right back throwing mud. I just want to be able to trust people, esecially people who are called to the High Calling of the office of Pastor/Teacher. After all, if we can’t trust their character what is left?

28   nathan    http://www.nathanneighbour.com
September 12th, 2007 at 9:45 am

Chris P,

This has NOTHING to do with TBN or the Word of Faith Movement. This has to do with us dog piling the editor (NOT KEN). If it was John Piper’s daughter in the situation, I doubt the “editor” would have used this scripture. It is all about smearing your opponent at all cost.

29   RayJr    
September 12th, 2007 at 9:51 am

Wasn’t Dr. Walter Martin divorced from his first wife? Perhaps his mentoree can confirm this.

30   Matt    http://matbathome.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 10:01 am

Walter Martin was married 3 times. But Ken doesn’t actually do any research.

At age seventeen he eloped with Patricia Alice Toner, with the marriage lasting about four years. Patricia Toner was the daughter of the prominent Long Island oyster entrepreneur Royal Toner.

In June 1952 Martin married Elaine Lois Jacobsen, and this marriage ended in July 1973. There were five children born out of this union. In November 1973 Martin married Darlene Nesland, and one daughter was born. Darlene Nesland remained his wife until Martin’s death in 1989.

31   Joe Martino    http://www.joemartino.name
September 12th, 2007 at 10:03 am

Matt,
Sources?

32   Matt    http://matbathome.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 10:08 am

Sorry, the secular news source, Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Martin

33   Joe Martino    http://www.joemartino.name
September 12th, 2007 at 10:10 am

I just didn’t want anyone coming back and saying we were making it up as went…

34   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 12th, 2007 at 10:12 am

* When a guy I agree with gets divorced it is a tragedy.

* When a doctrinal enemy gets divorced he is a disgrace to Christianity.

That particular template was perfected by another organization called – THE WORLD.

35   Nathan    
September 12th, 2007 at 10:17 am

and now you know why my McManus says “The Greatest enemy to the Movement of Jesus Christ is Christianity”

Religion kills

36   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 12th, 2007 at 10:20 am

Jesus said we will know the false prophets by their “fruit”, which we have unfortunately reduced to mean pleasant personality traits.

He also said if we abide in him we will bear much fruit. Perhaps he meant Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Gentleness, Self-Control; To name a few. Those all sound like “pleasant personality traits” to my ears.