Apparently its only bad manners to call someone a false prophet and infer that they’re in hell if you happened to largely agree with the target of said invectives.
It’d be nice if the author of that piece could give us his thinking on when its “despicable” to apply those terms to individuals, but sadly, the author has decided to avoid any type of scrutiny by remaining anonymous.
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ummm…
I dunno…
I’m not big on the former Dr. Kennedy, but that website is filled with some freaky claims…
Despicable might not be the right word, but I think that site has some real issues.
The real joke is that Jim Bublitz has called me the emergent version of Pope St Felix…
http://www.oldtruth.com/blog.cfm/id.2.pid.666
Sherry: I just think it’s a better usage of time to focus on the leaders and influential authors in that movement, and Iggy is neither of those. He’s pretty much just someone with a blog, a grudge, and his own one-of-kind extrabiblical ideas of what Christianity is and isn’t. There’s a thousand people just like that out there, and the last one that I locked horns with to this degree was Pope Felix. Were you around when Felix was crusading here on Old Truth? He was a Catholic version of Iggy, at least as far as attitude and rhetoric is concerned. It’s just better to leave the lone rangers to themselves, and focus on the views and ideas being spread by the leaders of the movement instead. I’m learning that the hard way:-)
Posted by: Jim from OldTruth.com on Friday, May 04, 2007
Nice huh?
I think that Pope Guy does have some major issues….
Be Blessed,
iggy
Oh and btw I agree with the CRN article… though I did not listen to a lot of Dr. James Kennedy I agreed on his interpretation of 1 John 1:9…
But as far as his Lordship Salvation stance I see that as wrong.
Funny though that some had no issue in roasting Tammy Faye when she died though
Be Blessed,
iggy
*shaking my head*
Sad, Sad, Sad…
I wonder if God sits on his throne and mocks those who perish with claims of heretic (If they were in fact heretics). As I read the scriptures I’m left to say No he doesn’t. Since Christ is my standard and not CRN or CRN.info or Pope Felix or whoever; I will measure where I am at compared to who he was. Everyone else can voice their empty claims.
As for me and my house we will serve the Lord. Not the traditions of Men.
This maybe a tangent but it just stuck me.
I really think it is sad and terrible when Islamists (or a variation on Islam) take up arms and kill innocent people in the name of religion.
From what I have seen on the web and in the blogoshpere it wouldn’t be to far of a leap to say that some Christians kill innocent people as well. It may not be physical but certainly it is spiritual. “For you have heard it said ‘Do not Kill’ but I say that anyone who has hatred in his heart for his brother has committed murder”
I put up the post in question here. Once again you all miss the point by at least a mile.
I am not defending Dr. Kennedy or his theology. I am not a “dominionist” for example.
What you fail to get is that the sedevacantist nazis think this way about anyone who is not a pre-vatican 2 papist, including you. That is my point.
I do not agree with Tammy Faye either.
Matthew 24:
“4And Jesus answered them, “See that no one leads you astray. 5For many will come in my (Jesus’) name, saying, ‘I (i.e. Jesus) am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray”
(Parentheses mine.)
Read your bibles.You are bent on jumping all over CRN,which is the real purpose of this blog, not the truth. The “tone” police are here.
This is propganda, rhetoric, and spin, but that is alright as long as we are “gracious” and smugly superior in doing it.
What you fail to get is that the 5 point hyper-calvinist nazis think this way about anyone who is not a post-calvin 1565 self-righteous individual, including you. That is my point.
Chris P. – I agree with CRN that the blog they referenced has slid off the cracker, however I would disaree with you as to how close CRN comes to that same fate. Here is another observation that I never understood.
CRN is adamantly against easy believism and the “sinner’s prayer” purpose driven approach. DJ kennedy was a pioneer of packaged and manipulative gospel presentations. The EE program was renouned for salvation statisitics, or “counting heads”. I really believe if he was not a Calvinist he would have found himself in CRN’s cross hairs, right?
Chris P.
Why are you so bitter I am agreeing with you that the guy you posted about is wrong and rather out there!
Yet, it seems that it bothers you that one would not agree with Kennedy and be rather nasty aobut that disgreement yet overlook that some you defend have done this same thing with people like Tammy Faye and that Word of Faith couple that is getting divorced…
You cannot see that what that guy is doing is what you allow to also be done at CRN.
And again you missed i was on your side for the most part.
Be Blessed,
iggy
That was exactly my point there chief. The watchdoggies do the exact same thing, they just have different criteria. If the post you had written was written on a blog that didn’t have the habit of excoriating and condemning people who don’t line up with their narrow beliefs I’d have no problem with it. Instead this is you (if it truly was you and not some other anonymous writer) condemning the very tactics CRN uses.
If you really believe that is “despicable” perhaps you’d be better served in disassociating yourself from CRN and other blogs that use them.
Iggy,
I am mad at you. I got banned over at Old Truth for no other reason than I can determine other than I occasionally post over here. Or maybe it was because I couldn’t live on line 24/7 and they thought it took too long to respond sometimes. Anyway, I’m blaiming you. LOL.
HJ,
And you post positive comments!
OK I will take all the blame… LOL!
But again, why are they ashamed of the gospel they proclaim that they want only those who they like to read them?
Be Blessed,
iggy
HJ – Treat it like being ex-communicated from the Roman Catholic Church. Beyond silly.
I think Jim likes to keep his “truth” under a bushel. LOL! or maybe it is so old after all he is afriad it might break.
Whatever it is… it is no real bother to me as there is not much of anything there that is worth my time… mostly it is other peoples thoughts and what I have read of Jim it is mostly just judgementalism disguised as piety…
Blessings,
iggy
Houston John got banned at “Old Truth”? Unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
I am a very very very minor prophet but I think I can safely predict that the next major SOL-like meltdown will be at the Jim Bublitz blog.
- Robbo
Robbo,
According to Calvinism the SOL blog deletion can be directly attributed to God’s eternal decree as is my writing this comment. So where’s the beef? In fact, the very fact that I don’t believe in THE DECREE is a part of that decree (that I don’t believe in). I’m predestined to not believe. Of course I could be predestined TO believe in THE DECREE down the road, but we’ll just have to wait and see . . . .
Note to self: am I being fatal in my thinking here?
Iggy,
To be honest, and for full disclosure and transparancy, I actually agree with a lot of what Jim and the gang have to say about various things. That’s the funny part. The rub comes when I nag them about being faithful to their own world view. For example, that the words “gospel hardened” even appear in a Calvinist’s argument against “easy believism” drives me nuts. I must have been sleeping that day in TULIP 101 when they discussed how one of the ELECT could be “gospel hardened”. But I digress . . .
There is only One God and Calvin is His messenger.
Rick,
“There is only One God and Calvin is His messenger.”
I thought that was Augustine? Calvin was such a “johnny come lately”. Oh wait, wasn’t St. Paul also a Calvinist and wasn’t Simon Magnus the original Arminist or am I thinking of Hymenaeus?
HJ – The most profound example of easy believism is Calvinism.
I believe that the Apostle Paul followed the same system of belief as that of Jesus and of Gamaliel in regards to free will and prestination – that they could be coexistant, because God is not part of His creation.
“The most profound example of easy believism is Calvinism.”
I reiterate. The message is immaterial, the sinner is immaterial. It is easy for the elected sinner, he is loving his sin on Monday, hating God, lost in total darkness, and Tuesday morning he is wisked away into the very body of Christ.
No seeking God, no searching for God, no wrestling with issues, no apologetical struggles, and no battles with faith, nothing.
What could possibly be more easy?
How would won who is elect know that he is elect unless he chooses to believe he is elect but one cannot choose to be elect as they are chose, but if one knows he is elect he chooses to believe…
And the snake swallows his own tail.
I see they coexist… yet that free will is still in it purity of love while in its fallen state of “covering out own nakedness”. It is not about being and taking part in ones own salvation in that our own choice saves us.
We are loved we respond to love and in that sacrifice our free will for God’s will… “Not my will, but thy will”…
I heard a Calvinist state that Jesus was the only one that had ever had “free will” becuase He was God… and that is how he explained that verse…
Blessings,
iggy
iggy
Hey, I’m back at OT! Sort of. At least my “positive” comments are getting through now. We were discussing the lack of the fear of the Lord in today’s Christianity. I actually agreeded with the gist of the Article.