The Reformation becomes an idol.

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1   Rick Frueh
September 15th, 2007 at 8:34 pm

I do not have an opinion on the subject.

Or maybe I do…

And some of those who would roundly criticize others for human idolization (Bell, Warren, etc.) follow their own men and sometimes have entire denominations named after them. Can you imagine the cry of “man lovers” if there was a church called The Bell House?

It isn’t just Lutherans, it is also Wesleyan and Calvin and Moody and others that have a man’s name front and center. The Reformation is to God’s glory and not a particular doctrine or set of men.

2   iggy
September 15th, 2007 at 8:42 pm


Interesting thought… why are those that listen to Bell, Warren and such all “man lovers” and those that quote Spurgeon (often as if his words are on the same level of Scripture itself which I know of not one emergent that does that to any of the so called “leaders” of our tribe) and wax on and on about Calvin and Luther… and not consider that those people also were mere men? I read no where the Gospel or Epistle of Luther, Calvin or Spurgeon… maybe it is the book of Second Canadians or something?

It seems then that these are also “men-lovers”…

Oh and say hi to Bill for me… that’s how I became “emergent” also… hmmm he gets around! LOL!

be blessed,

3   Rick Frueh
September 15th, 2007 at 8:54 pm

Tim, here is something I just do not get. How come some who rejoice in the Reformation still believe in sin cleansing infant baptism, transubstantiation, their pastors wear robes, they light candles, they sing only hymns, and they worship with litergy.

And they claim to be separated from Rome. I don’t get it. The only thing they don’t have is the Pope…yet.

4   iggy
September 15th, 2007 at 9:00 pm

The separation is that instead of the Papal Hierarchical structure… the Pope was replaced by Sola Scriptura.

Yet Luther made few changes… and Zwingler made even less and was hated by Luther…

It was not really a pretty time with all the murder of Catholics against protestant against Anabaptist against protestant against… pretty much everyone hated someone and killed someone in the name of truth as they saw it…. sad really.

Be Blessed,

5   Rick
September 15th, 2007 at 9:48 pm

You know if you guys would convert to Calvinism all of your questions would be answered.


6   Rick Frueh
September 16th, 2007 at 7:46 am

And behold, my friend Rick Ianiello provides a look into the sacred scrolls of Calvinism. Notice the Freudian word “convert”. Is that conversion predestined also, and does God elect those within the body of Christ who will be converted to Calvin?

And do we have the free will to convert to Calvinism? Rick is a gracious and humble Calvinist which makes you wonder …never mind. Notice his other Fruedian admission that describes much of the Calvin Lodge, he says Calvinism can “answer all your questions”.

Now Rick is a mongrel who espouses a form of Calvinism and at the same time embraces mystery. And with that doctrinal resume he can be assured of no invitation to speak at the next Shepherd’s Conference. Rick says it in jest, but there many who believe that when they came upon the “doctrines of grace” they found the Holy Grail. They consider the Reformation the first Shepherd’s Conference with the speakers being Luther, Calvin, MacArthur and R. C. Sproul. Piper was still in semenary.

Now it never makes much news that many if not most Calvinists only came to that view after they were saved, so that particular view is not especially evangelistic, at least not now adays. I have seen blogs whose conversion experience centered mainly on coming to Calivin rather than coming to Jesus. It is an interesting phenomenon. The reformed friends I have personally never give off that impression of haughty revelation, and they have observed this attitude, so it must be in certain corners.

And Rick, my friend and brother, we would convert but the predestined Christians who have been elected to embrace Calvinism is very limited, and we Arminians are totally depraved in matters of sovereignty. But we rejoice that you guys will perservere!

Humor Day revisited. You are my brother who I love in Christ, Rick.

7   Rick
September 16th, 2007 at 10:58 pm

Rick – of course you love me, what choice do you have?