Looky here. David C proving Rick’s point.

RicK
I disagree on one issue that bloggers are not warriors.
There are many who not only fight the fight on the web, but in their own community.
The fight is not against the world. We preach so that those who hear come out of the world.
Spiritual darkness in heavenly/high places, every lofty thought and opinion, pulling down strongholds are battles within the “church”.
“Heavenly” and “high” places is the same word in the Greek.

The day is here when the USA will not be the richest or the best, and real persecution will come. However it will not come from the “fundies” it will come from the “tolerant”
The great harlot of Rev 17 is the conglomeration of all religons of the earth and she will be destroyed by the rulers who will use her for their own ends. I say this in spite of the preterist slant of the majority of contributors here.

However it will not come from the “fundies” it will come from the “tolerant”

How do you figure that? The cycle of history within (and without) the church would indicate otherwise – that it is always the “true believers” at the forefront of abuse and persecution.

That said, I believe that there are legitimate, biblical bounds for ‘tolerance’ – and that much of what passes for ‘tolerance’ in modern culture is beyond that line. Pulling from current events, God is not Allah. Mormonism is not a Christian sect.

I believe that the Biblical limit of tolerance within the church is found in διδαχην, translated “to hold to” in the NT, primarily focusing on Rev 2:14-15 – which implies a firm, unquestioning grasp with unwillingness to change. When we ‘tolerate’ people within the church who ‘hold to’ other religions or ‘essential’ doctrine, our toleration has passed the limit given to us in scripture.

The great harlot of Rev 17 is the conglomeration of all religons of the earth and she will be destroyed by the rulers who will use her for their own ends.

Actually, Chris, I believe that the slant (at least on my part) is ‘partial-preterist’. There is a big difference when you add the ‘partial’… As for the harlot (and trying to project her onto a future entity), I think it is dangerous to ‘hold to’ a fixed definition of what she is/was/will be (whichever the case may be).

Personally, I believe there are dozens of clues in the Revelation account which suggest that ‘Babylon’ is a substitute for Jerusalem and its corruption prior to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and the expulsion/eradication of Jews from Israel in 135 AD (after the Bar Kochba revolt). However, even if this interpretation is correct, it does not bar future events which would fit the same pattern, as Biblical prophecy is often viewed as fulfilled more than once.

I’ll be honest, I have a *real* problem with the motivational posters praised by the spoof site.

I think the photos chosen are telling. First, there is a strong prevalence of dreadlocks in the photos. While the individuals sporting them are white, the implication is clear: dreadlocks are “weird” and definitely not normative. (I think of the justification for mocking “weird” people: we aren’t to give an appearance of evil. So maybe dreadlocks are evil.) Unfortunately, dreadlocks are a big part of the black culture in this country. It’s in poor taste to mock a style of hair that is so closely linked to the black community.

Second, the posters, ironically perhaps, are more diverse, presumably, than the churches these men attend. There is at least one man of Asian descent and several that appear to be Latino.

They can tell me that this isn’t the intent, but I’ll tell you how I felt looking at the posters as a person of color. I felt that, as a person of color, I’m part of the “weirdness” they are rejecting. As they glorify old truths, old churches, and old people, I get the sense that they are also glorifying white people. The good old days that these white men glorify are also the days of slavery and institutionalized racism.

Seeing those posters make me want to have nothing to do with Team Pyro or Jim Bublitz. I am *so* sympathetic to what they have to say. Evangelicalism is a mess in many ways. But I found these posters so offensive, it took away any sympathy I would have to their cause.

How do these posters edify the Body of Christ? Was God pleased?

M.G.

My thoughts exactly as i used to take Phil Johnson and crew serious enough to listen to and thought them to have credibility… Now I really could care less what they have to say.

My opinion of Jim Bublitz is that he is immature and childish… and when criticized or received he is being criticized… he might give an answer, but will mock and attack and as far as i am concerned… change his story and misplace the truth.

I see the level of honesty, and true concern for others reduced to little if at all.

Really I think that this Truth War has caused a great division and had closed the ears of those that might have needed to hear… (Though I think they needed to hear just as much or more.)

iggy

Sorry for the poor grammar: “My wife and I ARE not.”