Apparently I was missing something, and Ken Silva laid it all out for me in his latest [miss]ive. Ken begins to debunk my article earlier today by showing my obvious link to McManus (insert gasp here). But then he reference one of the articles on his own website that I have already addressed. Ron Foster, formerly a part of mosaic, makes this hilarious statement:

(McManus) “There are many who claim to be Christians but show no evidence of Christ being their Lord… We should hate that kind of “Christianity”… (Foster)But that’s not the kind of Christianity Erwin McManus is talking about. No, he’s talking about biblical Christianity. …the Christianity that triumphed in the Reformation

Really, Ken? Maybe Foster holds the same prophetic gifting as you. He can actually know what people really mean, even though they have clearly spelled it out. That seems like sound research… say Christian Research for a Christian Research Network to me, right? We wouldn’t want to bother with anything like…say, hard evidence, interviews, writings or sermons. Ken continues in the [miss]ive by addressing my statement that the watchdoggies hold to historical writings just as much as scriptures. Silva writes

Let me first say that this is patently false and is in fact simply another lame attempt to advance what has become a pet Emergent straw man…In his apparent haste to criticize the historic Biblical Christian faith Foster refers to above Neighbour completely misses the key point Spurgeon was making about the proper preaching of the Gospel

So let me get this straight Ken, you don’t hold to early church writings as much as scriptures. Yet, you are upset that I have criticized the faith of the reformation, specifically the writings of Spurgeon? On top of that, you equate my criticism of Spurgeon with a criticism of “biblical” Christian faith. Which is it? Ironically Ken goes on to defend the doctrines of Spurgeon with little to no scripture. Here are a few highlights of the rest of the [miss]ive.

Highlight #1
Ken: The problem is Spurgeon wasn’t advocating that anyone “fatally wound people”
Spurgeon: His communications with the corn are sharp and cutting. He cuts right through, cuts the corn down, and casts it to the ground.

sounds pretty fatal to me.

Highlight #2
Ken: Then Neighbour trots out the old Emergent eggplant about how Jesus was only “strong with” people who were “religious leaders.”The New Testamen record doesn’t bear that out.

Any scripture to back that up? Or maybe Edwards would have the answer.

Highlight #3
Ken: He whines in his version of the “gospel” that, “It should not be a tool to simply walk through fields of people, cutting people down that are not well.”

Uh, who was it again that said, “”It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”?

Highlight #4
More ranting on the quote from Marianne Williamson, falsely attributed to Nelson Mandela.
So my sin here would probably be nothing more than not updating my blog. Go watch Akeelah and the Bee :)

Highlight #5
FINALLY some scripture! Ken quotes Mark 4:26-29. He tries to apply it to Spurgeon’s quote. However, this scripture is talking about bringing souls into the kingdom. It really isn’t about cutting people down with the gospel, and leaving them… how did Spurgeon put it? Oh yes… cuts right through, cuts it down, and casts it to the ground.

Highlight #6
closing arguments: I humbly offer that before a young man like Neighbour decides to take on a man powerful in Christ like Spurgeon he should spend a lot less time meditating on the mystic musings of Erwin McManus and instead start listening to the absolute Truth of Jesus Christ.

So am I taking on Christ or Spurgeon? Or is it the absolute truth of Spurgeon? Am I missing something here?

For the record, I am a Spurgeon fan and studied his work and life extensively in my undergrad work. But unlike some, I am able to find elements of his writings that I disagree with. His word is not perfect or biblical. Last time I checked, it was the Catholics that made people into saints. Also, 6 out of the 7 information links in the article were from (you guessed it) Ken himself. Once again, bad “research” methods.

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1   chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
September 29th, 2007 at 4:55 am

I once attended a church where the pastor/teacher actually said “As I said in the book I wrote” to prove his point.

It’s as I’ve said many times before; screaming into an echo chamber doesn’t gain support for your argument. It just means that you’ve found a choir to preach to.

“Some say I follow Peter, some say I follow Paul…”

2   Tim Reed    http://churchvoices.com
September 29th, 2007 at 7:55 am

I suppose when they create a gold statue of Spurgeon, they might finally admit they’ve made him into an idol.

3   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 29th, 2007 at 8:21 am

Oh they bear the image of the Spurgeon (not to be confused with the image of the beast by any means) pretty proudly over at team pyro…

Here is my take on this…

Blessings,
iggy

4   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
September 29th, 2007 at 8:21 am

You’ve got to admire Ken’s alliteration. “Fetid Fruit” I mean, that’s funny.

5   Tim Reed    http://churchvoices.com
September 29th, 2007 at 8:29 am

If he would have worked in “fecal” I’d have been impressed.

6   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
September 29th, 2007 at 9:11 am

Ken’s Logic:

Disagreeing with Spurgeon = Unforgivable

Attacking Billy Graham = Perfectly OK

Do these people seriously think that the Reformation was the ultimate expression of Biblical Christianity? Is disagreeing with Luther or Calvin all it takes to be a heretic? So much for semper reformanda.

7   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 29th, 2007 at 9:36 am

If Spurgeon were Arminian he would be anathama to them. I find it disingenuous to Spurgeon to print, as did Pyro also, some snipet of his voluminous writings and claim that was his constant tone.

I have many sermons by Spurgeon which are compassionate and loving and many sermons on his favorite topic – THE CROSS. I don’t suppose we’ll see a post on that.

8   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 29th, 2007 at 9:51 am

Rick,

This is the same when they push the wrath of God at the expense of His Grace and that God “hates” sinners though He “so loved the world He gave His only Son.”

It is the focus they have and out of balance they are. Myself I would rather error on the side of Grace and “leave room for God’s wrath”… I think that God is pretty much in touch and in charge of His own wrath… so I let Him express it as He wants… I do not need nor does He need me to add any of my own to His.

Be Blessed,
iggy

9   Tim Reed    http://churchvoices.com
September 29th, 2007 at 11:44 am

But Iggy, all doesn’t mean all, all means some, and by some we mean the elect.

10   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
September 29th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

Yes, and ya know then it is only the “many” that die due to the trespasses of Adam.

ig

11   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
September 30th, 2007 at 7:25 am

Spurgeon’s farming metaphor relates to the cutting power of the Word – oh and by the way – to ALL (and I do mean all) of us. The Word is like the rain, it has no friends and those that claim excusivity haven’t read it.