There have been many articles written on this site that have dealt with the issue of church size and numbers. I want to address this issue again, in light of reading the article “size matters little.†The author makes the statement that we should really be looking at quality over quantity when it comes to people in our church. My first thought is what makes a believer “quality� Does being able to recite scripture and biblical facts make someone quality? Does attending an in depth bible study on the book of I John make someone quality? Maybe the amount of respect one has for religious traditions makes someone quality.
For me, none of these really define what it means to be quality. So I began to think about what might define a quality Christian. And then it came to me – character. Biblical character really is what makes someone quality, isn’t it? It is the person that, as their core, is faithful, generous, perseveres, wise, courageous, and has integrity that is really quality. Unfortunately, character cannot be taught in a Sunday service, nor can it be learned in books. It is in the continual refining of God’s grace that our character is developed. And really, character is developed best when serving other people, even when we don’t want to.
But, then I look at the people that Jesus chase to build His church on… and many of them were not what we would call quality people. I mean, Peter denied his association with Jesus only hours before the crucifixion. These were fishermen that the world considered to be not quality. We see all over scripture that God chooses people who are not “quality†to lead nations, start the church and ultimately dwell within. So, while becoming quality should be one of our goals, it is not the requirement for ministry (thank God!). If we wait until we are quality to be mission minded people, then we could wait for all eternity. God is interested in using you now, right where you are at.
So, I am troubled when I read statements like “To God quality is vastly important and size matters little. When set in opposition to size, quality is everything and size nothing.†What this says is that it matters little if we share our faith, invite people into our communities or even a relationship with god, because we are trying to be quality. When many of these watch doggies see churches that are looking at numbers, they only see them as marketing moguls or desiring to expand their own empire. Granted, there are some out there at do this, but I would say this is not the majority. The majority of growing churches look at numbers to see what type of an impact they are having on the community and the kingdom of God. Every new number represents a soul, a story, and the potential to share the gospel with someone. I have often found that quality people reproduce quality people, right? They are the ones who are developing others, investing in their co-worker and neighbors, or simply giving more of themselves than taking
Within the article at CRN, the author writes
You see, I don’t see a scriptural basis for a “personal†revival without a community expression. When the group in the upper room had their personal revival (Acts 2), they immediately started discipleship groups, right? No. They went out and took that revival to their communities. I don’t think that we can have a revival that takes place without a numerical expansion in the kingdom. It is not acceptable to blame the fact that you are not growing on the fact that you are becoming quality people. It just doesn’t work that way. It would be like me saying that I don’t care if my son grows; right now I am focusing on helping him to become a healthy person. Part of being a healthy human is growing. part of people a healthy church body is growing. Part of being a quality person means introducing people to the very person that has made you quality.






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The overall point of Ken’s post is true, however, when you use yourself as an example of quality over quantity you expose the intent of the article.
It might come across as a bit more sincere if it were coming from someone who wasn’t obviously trying to justify something.
Also, if size is nothing and doesn’t matter, then why are numbers recorded in Acts? Why are we commanded to go to “every nation”? Numbers do matter, they’re just not the only thing.
Rick,
I would say that quality produces quantity. That if you are genuinely pursuing God, you will do everything in your power to bring others to him. I do alot of church consulting. I am just tired of hearing “we aren’t growing, but we have great fellowship” or “we aren’t good at evangelism, but we are strong in discipleship.”
I find it interesting that this quality does not produce more quality disciples…
Yet, theological I see that the teaching I see out of the ODM’s site produces the fruit of dependence on the “God” appointed “pastor/teacher” who knows all…. it is in effect the Christian version of the Hindi guru.
Now, try discipling show produce disciples who emulate also what Jesus did… he duplicated Himself in the Apostles who duplicated themselves… and on adn on… Paul tried this with Mark who failed, and later did so with Timothy who did not fail in making more disciples.
The issue of the small church is that I see the tendency to “we four and no more” and “we are the remnant and all the others are going to hell.” which is cultic and not healthy.
Of course mega churches have their own issues. so i am not just stating they are great…
Be Blessed,
iggy
I have to be honest – I like smaller churches. My church has a member of about 300 (which is big for the UK), but as we are planting out into two other parts of the Neighborhood, my congregation is about 120. This means people are missed when they are not there, you have the chance to build 7-day-a-week community with the same people you gather to worship and share the sacraments with, and it is LOCAL. I don’t get travelling 30 miles to go to a big building, sit next to the some stranger, and then build community with a completely different set of people.
Of course the church should grow – but it should be pouring itself out to be the centre of community where it is located, and giving itself away to create church in neighborhoods where there is no church, rather than building bigger and bigger buildings.
I’ll defend Ken.
The question in my mind is what kind of growth is occurring? It seems like what happens in mega-churches is that you have a charismatic pastor, and he ends up drawing Christians away from other evangelical churches. Mega-churches, nine times out ten, strike me as cults of personality.
Is that really being a fisher of men? Or is that drawing a crowd of believers because of a slick presentation?
In the end, there just aren’t a lot of places today that are truly reaching unchurched people. I’m impressed by the few that are, but the fact that Ken leads a tiny church doesn’t bother me. He doesn’t play the church marketing game, which probably isn’t a bad thing.
Important question (and end of my apology of Ken.) Can you reconcile Ken’s ecclesiastical philosophy with his views on the internet? Ken seemingly revels in attention and counter hits, and he takes some pride in the reach of AM and CRN. Importantly, he twists his message by making it more inflammatory than necessary, all so that he can increase his influence and profile.
Does that mean, in essence, that Ken is running the equivalent of a mega-church website?
If it’s wrong for churches to do, than why isn’t it wrong for internet teachers?
M.G.
I am not saying that because Ken’s church is small that that in and of itself is wrong. My church plant was around 4 to 10 people a various times.
Yet, I struggled for two years and would have to start from scratch ever so often as I would have to go out of town over a weekend and everyone would leave.
The real issue I saw was that though I was pouring into these people my limited resources could not adequately help them. Also, the big hindrance was not having anyone back me. I was doing it alone with God… which is not bad.
Now, after I met the pastor at our current church who had some backing and experience in planting already, I saw that I could use what I learned while trying to plant myself and also be used in a place that had some foundation under it already. It had name recognition… just as Ken uses the SBC as a “form” of marketing… (it is whether one admits it or not) he has some sort of name recognition. I never had that.
The bottom line is that though I had some good times and intimacy in my small church, I also saw that there was a need beyond what a small group could give. There has to be growth out of the teaching being given adn i saw some.
God places each of us in a different place. Ken might be just fine as he is, yet I see if this is all it is after a few years, then I wonder if there is a dependency on him and not on God that is developing.
Be Blessed,
iggy
M.G.
You are right to some extent. Mega churches who are not reaching the lost are just as bad. It really is the same issue at the core though, right? Ken writes about only having 4 people in his church…he is not reaching anyone. A megachurch might write that they have 42,000… but are not reaching anyone. Having that said, I would rather have a church of thousands, where 2 or 3 come to faith each month, than a small church who is more concerned about their personal revival, than reviving others.
The issue is that the New Testament church reproduces. I just don’t see how people can get around this. It is NOT ok to stay at four people in a room, with the excuse that you are becoming quality people. Likewise, it is not ok to grow by thousands, but never see someone come to Christ (but from experience I can tell you that most megachurches do draw in the lost)
Noah preached for 100 years without a convert while Peter preaches once and has at least 3000 converts. The numbers are irrelevant, faithfulness and humility counts.
The “outposts” and “precious soldier” verbiage is transparent in its attempt to maximize your importance even while small. There are many faithful servants of Christ who will never see a large ministry. In the end, only God will know.
faithfulness in doing what is the question.
Also, I am not talking about growing huge churches. If Ken reached one person for Christ this year, that would be a 25% growth.
I just don’t see how a true NT church cannot reach people. If you are out among your community and developing relationships, the holy spirit should be drawing people to Him. I just think that God never intended us as a church to work on becoming quality people, and never reach someone for Him.