By now, many of you have received emails about how dangerous the upcoming film “The Golden Compass” will be. Based on the novel “Northern Lights”, by Philip Pullman (a devout atheist), the ODMs and other Christians are starting the usual “picket the theatre” or “I’m better then you because I won’t take my kids to this movie” talk.

I’m just not sure that inciting hysteria is necessarily the best response. Andre Serrano, the artist who did “P-ss Christ”, at one point openly acknowledged that Christians saved his career because they made such a big stink about his work. He was literally a starving artist until Christians protested his work.

Perhaps ignoring something so it goes away might be the more Christian response.

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1   Paul C
November 14th, 2007 at 4:29 pm

“Perhaps ignoring something so it goes away might be the more Christian response.”

Riggghhhttt… that’ll work.

Just watching the trailer, not to mention the timing (December), this movie is intended to be a blockbuster… make no mistake.

Honestly, sometimes you guys (like the post regarding John Hagee) just bark up the wrong tree for no reason. This is a silly post that has no value.

2   iggy
November 14th, 2007 at 4:39 pm

Actually I am thinking of recommending the movie…

I hear they kill “god” in the movie, but the”god” the kill is not God. Meaning that the atheist logic is flawed and this movie will give us a chance to expose that BY SEEING IT.

Boycotting it will draw more undo attention and like the Da Vinci Code which seemed to line as many ministries pockets as Dan Browns, (it was really not that good of a movie).

If we approach this a open dialog and discuss it… we will see God in action… if we take action against it… I am not sure God will support us.

I think I want to be part of what God is doing and by showing that the god of atheism is far removed from the True God, we already won the battle and the war… if we do as they think we will they have to do less advertising to promote it.

So boycott and promote the movie for them, or watch it and discuss it and let people know who Jesus really is!


3   Matt B
November 14th, 2007 at 4:45 pm

I haven’t seen “The Davinci Code”, but I did read the book. It was one of the most poorly written books I’ve read in a long time. Not enough Christians commented on it’s quality (or lack thereof). Also, Brown’s arguments for his view of Christ were so poorly made, I frequently laughed out loud.

4   Rick Frueh
November 14th, 2007 at 4:48 pm

Pointing out the world’s sins…like shooting fish in a barrel. I would avoid it but public boycotts are self righteous and do not show Christ’s redemption. These people remind me of people in a fair, standing at a shooting gallery and knocking down ducks.

Movies that “kill” god are much less dangerous than the followers of the true God blind to their own sins and pride.

5   merry    
November 14th, 2007 at 4:50 pm

If Christians ignored everything profane, vulgar, sinful, and not honoring to God in the world, what would that look like? There would be Christians living in their own little puritan bubbles not talking to the rest of the world, there would be Christians living in sin and not knowing any better because of the puritan Christians ignoring their ungodliness, and the rest of the population wouldn’t give a second thought to immorality. If Christians ignored everything and everyone there would be no point to Christianity. I know this is just one movie, but people do need to be aware of what it’s about and why it might not be glorifying to God. I wouldn’t call it “picketing,” just making people aware of what’s going on, you know?

No offense, but this post makes it sound like you think you’re better than the ODMs and other Christians, or that your solutions are better at least. Hysteria is not necessary, no, but neither is ignoring things completely.

6   Bruce Gerencser
November 14th, 2007 at 4:51 pm

Did you mean ignoring the discernment ministries and boycott call or the movie itself? :)

7   Matt B
November 14th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

I think it’s valid to research and inform about media. However, the below statement, tying the movie to a global education plan, smacks of hysteria.

In fact, his methods sound just like the transformational tactics in UNESCO’s global education plan. These proven methods are designed to–

Give new meanings to old terms
Redefine God and undermine Christianity
Make suggestions that clash with traditional values
Ridicule, rewrite or reinterpret Biblical truth
Immerse readers in tempting occultism and ritual magic
Cloak mysticism in scientific language.”

8   Rick Frueh
November 14th, 2007 at 5:04 pm

I am not ignoring them, I am doing something to combat thse things. Preaching the gospel.

9   Matt B
November 14th, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Well said, Rick. Great point.

10   merry    
November 14th, 2007 at 5:09 pm

There you go, Rick! I like your comment. Sadly, not very many Christians share the gospel very much. It’s something that we need to start doing a lot more.

11   Kevin I    
November 14th, 2007 at 5:16 pm

I’m just going to see it because it has a cowboy and a talking polar bear. Throuw in a dinosaur and some sort of dancing robot and it would be even better.

But seriously, I can see the warning to Christian parents as far as “be careful this movie has more to say then what it seems so think before you take your kids”, but I’m pretty sure looking into movies before you take them should be a common practice anyhow.

But as for adults, why avoid it? It may have some interesting things to discuss, view or think over, why do some Christians think that all movies must agree with their worldview before they’ll see it?

12   Joe C    
November 14th, 2007 at 5:32 pm

Why do we expect the world to live up to Christian standards. I just had a conversation with my Christian boss about this movie, so this is very timely for you guys to post this.

We can’t hold unbelievers to Christians standards and get outraged when they don’t meet those standards, that’s ridiculous.

This movie is what the unbelievers DO, mock God, make a false god to attack and tear down, insult the saints, what have you. It’s what the father of lies enjoys and seeks to bring about in this world. It should be of NO surprise to us, and I think the overreaction to it is like saying “owchieeee” to a big bully. It just eggs them on more, knowing they got a rise out of you. To stay totally indifferent to sin is one thing, but to delve in to hysteria like this movie is the greatest blasphemy to come across the Church’s prescense in 2000 years is absolutely ridiculous.

They are acting as they should, how Scriptures tells us how ALL of us acted before Christ. Now let’s act how we should, as the Redeemed, and like Rick said, preach the Gospel.

Let’s use this as an opportunity to share Christ, not feed our self righteousness by picketting and feeling morally superior to these movie makers and the viewers. We’re morally corrupt without God and we KNOW it. That’s the big difference. We can’t fear, be angry at everything the world does, and judge them for their actions. When they act worldly, and sinfully, that’s just their nature. And God is their Judge.

“I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you.”" 1 Cor. 5:9-12

I hope this all finds you well!



13   iggy
November 14th, 2007 at 5:45 pm

Amen Joe!

Kevin, as far as finding things to warn my kids about… I mean I have a few (too many) Disney movies and not much in them is “biblical” but the stories are clean and fun… and wholesome… so I let them watch them. I think that what I teach my kids elsewhere will be more of an influence than some movie.

Be blessed,

14   Phil Miller
November 14th, 2007 at 10:22 pm

Just watching the trailer, not to mention the timing (December), this movie is intended to be a blockbuster… make no mistake.

Well, that doesn’t mean it will be be. Hollywood has certainly had it’s share of flops recently.

I tend to think that in the case if a movie, it’s producers probably think any publicity is good publicity, and they probably appreciate every negative reivew a Christian gives it.

15   nc    
November 14th, 2007 at 10:41 pm

“Hollywood”=whipping boy Christians love to hate and still drink from the fountain as patriotic consumers.

16   D.MacDonald    
November 15th, 2007 at 1:14 am

I remember the so-called boycott and picketing of the Monty Python Life of Brian. It did nothing but advertise the film and cause many more people, including Christians to go and see what all the fuss is about.

17   chris
November 15th, 2007 at 12:36 pm

Perhaps ignoring something so it goes away might be the more Christian response.

If I could suggest a third choice ( 1) Warn everybody not to see it. 2) Just ignore the whole issue. 3) Actually go and see it, understand it and dialogue about it intelligently with those who saw it.

Quite frankly Christians are the only people I know who see movies, music, or literature and read something deeper into it. Most of the people I know (other than Christians) watched Harry Potter and thought “wow great fantasy” those who watched Lord of the Rings thought “wow even better fantasy” and those who watched Chronicles said “The very best fantasy”. Most secular people who see this movie will see it through those eyes. Not deep allegories about the death of the real God; who they don’t believe in anyway. It has a talking Polar Bear for goodness sakes.

18   nc    
November 15th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

thank you.

I would say 3 is the engaged choice that reflects a heart of concern for the world.

the other 2 represent a desire to hide or flee

19   Joe C    
November 15th, 2007 at 12:40 pm

“It has a talking Polar Bear for goodness sakes.” LOL!


But then again…the Bible has a talking donkey…and God did that…so…

Maybe this movie is from God!?

I should buy up seats for my church so we can all go see it as a sunday service.

But then again…they do have a false god in it…that gets killed…and since it shares the same name ‘god’ as our God…it must be an evil movie…we should protest it!

Devil bears…terrible.


20   nc    
November 15th, 2007 at 12:48 pm

toooooo funny…

21   Kent    
November 16th, 2007 at 11:24 am

As followers of Rick Warren, shouldn’t the response be to “embrace” the movie as part of “our culture”? To have a series or “home group discussions” on it? Shouldn’t we watch it so we can “relate” to and “impact” the culture around us?

22   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 11:35 am


Since the answer to your question is obviously “no”, perhaps you have a cartoon version of RW in your psyche what doesn’t match reality – like most of the ODM’s…

23   Kent    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:08 pm


I’m sure it’s the same cartoon version that yoked himself with a man who supports the slaughter of innocent babies, also having him speak at his church.

24   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 12:11 pm


Get a life, dude and stop watching cartoons.

Apparently you have no clue as to what “yoking” means in scriptural context. I’ll give you a hint, though – allowing a pro-abortion politician to give support to what your church is doing to combat AIDS in Africa wouldn’t fit within the definition.

And – for the record – Obama (who I will never vote for, BtW) didn’t speak at Warren’s church – he spoke at a mid-week political event for World AIDS day that happened to meet on the same piece of ground that Warren’s church worships in on Sunday…

25   Joe C    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:21 pm

Yeah well….

Devil bears are the DEVIL!

Oooh, watcha got huh huh?

26   Bill    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:34 pm


One might respond to you with a quick barb such as “Get a clue” – but I won’t do that because it would not be fruitful.

27   Bill    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:38 pm

“for the record – Obama (who I will never vote for, BtW) didn’t speak at Warren’s church – he spoke at a mid-week political event for World AIDS day that happened to meet on the same piece of ground that Warren’s church worships in on Sunday…”

That is quite laughable, (almost cartoon like). I’ll remember that the next time I come to work on a Satuday. That I’m not really at work, I’m just on the same grounds that I am during the week.

28   Bill    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:46 pm

BTW Chris,

Membership in the Council on Foreign Relations IS being yoked in an un-Christian manner with the world. If you do not recognize the power-seeking, elitist nature of the CFR then I pity your ignorance of the group.

Much of what Warren is doing related to AIDS and how he is making alliances with Big Pharma and the drug-pushing “doctors” at the AMA should lead one to ask exactly why he is still clinging to the title “Pastor” and doesn’t simply call himself “Global Influencer” as he was labeled at a recent conference.

“He who exalts himself will be humbled”

29   Joe C    
November 16th, 2007 at 12:51 pm

Wait…wasn’t this post about a movie with talking devil bears on it? Why does everything have to be about Rick Warren? Devil Polar Bears are endagered by global warming, and we’re arguing about Warren?

Lets go green guys.



30   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pm

Bill -

1) The property on which a church meets is not “the church” – Obama spoke at an event that was not a meeting of the Saddleback community, but at an event (World AIDS Day) which utilized the same facilities that the Saddleback community worships in. He did not preach there – he did not speak on abortion there – He spoke briefly in support of combating the AIDS epidemic in Africa.

2) The “get a life” comment was about people trying to drag Rick Warren into anything/everything being discussed (like The Golden Compass). As far as Warren goes, I am not a huge personal fan – though I like a number of things he’s done – but I don’t think the guy’s the False Prophet of Revelation like so many folks try to make him out to be (and they DO create this cartoon version of Rick Warren who tries to be buddies with the world, never talks about sin and plays guitar music that’s too loud).

3) As far as the CFR goes, I am mixed in my opinions – I believe that Christians being involved in such things rather than just watching them and grumbling about them is important, but I also think it’s dangerous when “the church” appears to be taking governing policy stances because of key people’s involvement. Of anything, that is probably the closest to “yoking”, though I would consider passing out voter’s guides in the local pews on Sunday morning to be just as much so, if not worse…

31   Matt
November 16th, 2007 at 1:41 pm

Goodwin’s Law of Rick Warren, anyone?

32   Kent    
November 16th, 2007 at 3:51 pm


This was an event hosted by Saddleback’s “Lead Pastor” at at Saddleback’s facility. It was an event promoted on the Church’s website. You can’t tell me that the World did not see this as something associated with the Church. It reminds me of Bill Clinton wagging his finger about not having committed adultery, then later hearing his “technicalities” of why it was not adultery.

November 30 to December 1, 2006
On the Saddleback campus
Special Saddleback price: $75

33   Matt
November 16th, 2007 at 3:58 pm

Errr…what does this have to do with The Golden Compass? Has Rick Warren actually endorsed or spoken against the film?

34   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 3:59 pm

Whatever, Kent. If we’re gonna bring Bill into it, let’s add Hitler next time for a bit more punch, while we’re at it.

November 30 to December 1, 2006
On the Saddleback campus
Special Saddleback price: $75

So let’s see – this is a summit (a meeting where people from multiple backgrounds to discuss a single topic) on the topic of AIDS and the church’s response to it.

As a summit, it’s already obvious that it is not a meeting in which Saddleback tells the world what it thinks about AIDS and the church. I also don’t see Obama on the marquee, and I also note that it says “On the Saddleback campus” to my point.

How about discussing the Golden Compass in this thread, rather than hijacking it to whine and gripe and cast aspersions on a church that – to my knowledge – hasn’t said ‘boo’ on this subject?

35   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 4:00 pm


No – Kent came in earlier to suggest that in Kent’s world, Saddleback would support this movie…

36   Chris L
November 16th, 2007 at 4:06 pm

Has Rick Warren actually endorsed or spoken against the film?

After a little bit of searching, I can’t find anything from Saddleback that even mentions TGC.

Basically, the haters will always show up if you’ve defended RW for anything in the past. It comes with the territory…

37   Bill    
November 16th, 2007 at 4:12 pm

“the haters”

hmmm, what exactly would that be a hater of?

38   Chris L
November 19th, 2007 at 8:52 am

hmmm, what exactly would that be a hater of?

Rick Warren/Saddleback/any church larger than theirs/etc/etc

39   Kent    
November 19th, 2007 at 9:24 am

Rick Warren/Saddleback/any church larger than theirs/etc/etc

Once again, ignorance and or something else seems to get the best of some.

Do I hate homosexuality? Absolutely, because God does! Do I hate Homosexuals? Abcoluttely not! Do I hate Rick Warren? No way, certainly not! but certainly I hate the way he twist and manipulates scripture and Truth. By the way was it “true” when he adamently denied any video of his little Syrian fiasco?

As far as the Hitler comment, I do not think even Warren would have Hitler come speak at his Church. But would he have Bill or Hillary come and speak? hmmm

40   Chris L
November 19th, 2007 at 9:43 am

What exactly does Warren have to to with the topic of this thread?


I thought so.

41   Phil Miller
November 19th, 2007 at 9:46 am

How in the world did Rick Warren and the Clintons get drug into this conversation?

It’s kind of like people on the other side of the political spectrum that blame everything on George Bush.

I guess if anything bad happens in the Church or anywhere, it’s Rick Warren’s fault.

42   PTWTMinistries    
December 17th, 2007 at 1:10 am

Back to the topic at hand, why are you guys cutting down my friend Dwayna? She was merely sharing her post about TGC with other regular visitors to the genuine CRN (and I’m not talking about this one that I’m posting on). Most of the people who go there would have a clue to sort the wheat from the tares.