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Rick,

I remember being scolded a couple of months back for calling Iggy, Carlos, his real name. You have called me Todd which is my name as well. I still sign my name DT.
I did not see anyone call you out for calling me Todd. Or was that in jest?

DT

This is a straw man and really I do not even understand why this is an issue. The only ones that took issue where defending me as a friend. In that I do not even remember Rick being the one doing so… I think it was either Tim R. or Tim W…

Again, I see that this is not even an issue and if it offends one to be addressed by their name of nickname, then why come…

I am offended by cowards who do not use a real name AND give no links to who they are. They, to me are but phatoms who care little for being held accountable for their words.

So, all, let’s move on… in fact this is as immature as I can see any conversation has gone… so grow up a little and address the real issue.

There is a huge difference if one lies and is called a liar for doing so, and one being called by their names be them given or chosen.

iggy

RE: being called by your name.

Again…WOW…you holding onto offenses there? I vaguely remember that exchange. It was a while back. But I’m glad Rick clarified for you.

Wow, DT…

The majority of people here do not identify with the emerging church. So give that load a rest, puh-leaze.

Also, Ken isn’t called a liar because he tweaks what people here agree with.

He get’s called a liar because there are two websites of his own that document that he is a…LIAR.

This is not about if everything is “reformed” or not as many of you think. It is about calling names and feeling excused from correction.

You’re right…it’s not about “reformed” doctrine. It’s about Ken, Ingrid and their ilk calling names and feeling excused from correction…so MUCH SO that they don’t allow any other voices that might reveal their sin–established in their own hand as lies and slander, etc. So thanks for agreeing with us.

Lastly, you should write Ken, et. al. because they LIE. If you’re going to get on the high horse for every piece of mistaken doctrine, wrong teaching, etc. then get on that band wagon when self-annointed spiritual leaders LIE and use SINFUL tactics. It’s just as offensive to God AND it hurts the witness of the church. (So there…you can’t accuse me of excusing false teaching.)

RE: your member card complaint.
Wow, you come in, throw some bombs, people disagree and then you’re “persecuted”? Disagreement is not an attack.
If Ken, Ingrid, et. al simply disagreed without using the tactics and sin they embrace then you’d see some amazing discourse ON THEIR SITES in the comment threads…

oh, yeah. That’s right! They don’t do that…

I rest my case.

Whatever, dude.

You came in here. Lobbed some grenades and then just are complaining when people don’t bow.

To Neil and the others, I have not commented on this thread as to the issue itself. That is why I hav refused to comment. What I have urged, but to no avail, is to be careful calling brothers in the Lord a liar just because most of you are emergent (or emerging in thought and/or practice) and his ministry rubs you raw.

What?!? Talk about ascribing motives! The first part makes no sense, and the second part misses the point completely (and misses the mark with motive).

1) Re-read my article – I did not call Ken a liar.

2) My “beef” has nothing to do with “emergent-ness”. My issue is that – as he often does with anyone he is attacking – he quoted me incompletely and ascribed a belief to me that is not mine (whether purposeful or not) in an attempt to smear another Christian.

That is the issue you’ve been avoiding, trying to bring fictitious accusations (banning) into the conversation… If this is a barbecue, I guess everyone will be going hungry…

I remember being scolded a couple of months back for calling Iggy, Carlos, his real name. You have called me Todd which is my name as well. I still sign my name DT.
I did not see anyone call you out for calling me Todd. Or was that in jest?

DT

I have skimmed the issue at hand and maybe I am missing something. What is the issue?

To Neil and the others, I have not commented on this thread as to the issue itself. That is why I hav refused to comment. What I have urged, but to no avail, is to be careful calling brothers in the Lord a liar just because most of you are emergent (or emerging in thought and/or practice) and his ministry rubs you raw.

This is not about if everything is “reformed” or not as many of you think. It is about calling names and feeling excused from correction.

Also, I have not seen anywhere where Ken adds to grace.

Lastly, I would most definitely write Ken, Ingrid or Paul Johnson (whoever that is) if I felt they were outside the veil of grace.

I guess was not given a member or club card when I first commented a few months ago. The scale is heavily tipped against me.

DT