Regarding women speaking in church. At my bible study on Friday (all women) we have been doing a Beth Moore study, and somehow it was mentioned that it was a shame that her demonimnation did not allow her to be a pastor. And then it was brought up about Paul telling women to be silent, and how wrong he was, yada, yada, yada. So, I made the following observation:
1. We had lost about 10 minutes of valuble study time on what amounted to a b—- session. Maybe a little less talk would have been more holy.

2. Beth Moore is a gifted teacher who has affected the lives of millions of people-men and women- the world over. Odds are, she would never had been able to do this tied down to ministry in one local church.

3. We can’t accuse Paul of being culturally biased, and then accuse God of not being in step with the women’s movement. I have a doctorate in music. I choose to work at home and home school my boys. You can imagine the flack I get because I am not doing what the culture around me says would give me fulfillment and wasting myself ‘just being a mom.’ Sadly, this comes from my churhc as well. I mention “God has called me to do this” and I get blank stares. Just because you are not “allowed” by men to pastor a church does not diminish your calling to teach, and it is our culture now that dictates being able to teach men/pastor a church as the epitome of sucess. To suggest that a woman who teaches the 5 year old sunday school class is somehow doing less for the kingdom than the guy in the 3 piece suit at the mega church is to miss the point of the Kingdom. I think many women strive to become pastors to prove something in our culture, just as many men shun teaching kindergarteners for similar reasons.

We are all called to be servants of God, and need to be open to his calling to what ever lofty position or humble acts of service He calls us, and others, to do. If you honestly believe God wants women to be pastors, you should pray for them. If you don’t think God wants women to be pastors, you should pray for them. Ultimately, it is between a person and God. What you, or I, or anyone else thinks will not be mentioned when we are called to account for our actions.
Julie, I find you very bright and articulate, and I enjoy your insight. Keep up the great work.

Yes, I was paper as a young pup…the only thing that was bad about it was getting whacked on the nose when I dodooed on the carpet.

iggy

Wait.

That certainly ties in, doesn’t it?

Gestalt!

How many qualifications does it take to understand 1 Timothy 2:10-11?

we are talking papered qualifications so how does this question even fit in the topic? As far as I see it has nothing to do with ordination…

iggy

1. No culture determines the meaning of Scripture

So why do you still live under the culture of the 1900’s? Is Darby’s version based on a 8 year old girls vision of heaven more accurate than a study of scripture and basing what one believes on what it states instead of 17th century theologians interpretation of it?

2. The condition of mankind is the same since the garden.

Actually for a time mankind was without sin in the Garden, it was after the fall and then they were cast out… the Garden remained pure, man was THEN cast outside the Garden and was curse with death because of sin… so your statement as is is technically wrong.

3, Don’t worry about competing with theologians, as there are none on this blog.

No one claims that except you who proves this as you comment here.

4. This blog worships the intellect even more than the ecm and liberal movements.

Really, you know every one’s heart… is is crowed on the throne you are shaing with Jesus?

5. If you believe that the Holy Spirit guides you into all truth
this blog will call you gnostic.

I think you need to go and study a bit of Plato and then you might see how much your own systematic theology is Christoplatonic… that makes you much more Gnostic than me! In fact as I point out the Gnostic beliefs of people like you you grow hateful and deny the truth with your contempt for it as you cling to Platonic dualism.

Be blessed,
iggy

1. Nobody’s claimed that here, that I know of – application to the current culture, certainly, but meaning, no (we leave that to Ken, who apparently has a direct line to God)

2. Actually, no – the condition of man changed back in 33 A.D. – certainly, this has not fully come to fruition, but we already know how it ends…

3. And…?

4. Oh please… Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind and with all your strength. Just because Ken, Ingrid and Dwayna couldn’t pass 3rd-grade logic doesn’t mean what we “worship the intellect” when we doconstruct their nonsense…

5. Hrm? Gnosticism see only good in the spirit and evil in the material, but being led by the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with gnosticism…

That comment was to Rick…I have no problems with Julie posting. That’s the issue that Rick has with Ingrid criticizing heretics like Rob Bell.

See Joe, I picked up an automatic weapon, Uzi of course.

How many qualifications does it take to understand 1 Timothy 2:10-11?

So you can tell Julie she’s wrong because of this passage, but I guess you don’t apply this thinking to Ingrid since you link to SOL on your blog. It seems you’re only consistent when you want to be.