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	<title>Comments on: O Holy Night&#8230; (Sort Of)</title>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/12/03/o-holy-night-sort-of/comment-page-3/#comment-33504</link>
		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 04:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And this is what the author said about his books&lt;strong&gt;.â€œI want to kill God in the minds of children.â€ &lt;/strong&gt;Philip Pullman, Author of the â€œThe Golden Compassâ€ taken from the trilogy of books His Dark Material&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t want to drag out this discussion any further but Pullman (as near as I can tell) never said that quote.   Again this is Christians knee-jerking their way through life.  

The movie opened today and I&#039;m predicting a blockbuster.  Mainly because Christians advertised for the movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And this is what the author said about his books<strong>.â€œI want to kill God in the minds of children.â€ </strong>Philip Pullman, Author of the â€œThe Golden Compassâ€ taken from the trilogy of books His Dark Material</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to drag out this discussion any further but Pullman (as near as I can tell) never said that quote.   Again this is Christians knee-jerking their way through life.  </p>
<p>The movie opened today and I&#8217;m predicting a blockbuster.  Mainly because Christians advertised for the movie.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup and that is pretty much the way Mohler delt with it.  So people will miss the whole purpose of the movie, to kill god,  some will not have the ability to disern that they could influence people in a bad way.  But the movie is for the glory of God, it can be used to spread the gospel very effectively by engaging the culture we live in with the true and greatest story ever told.  Amen brother</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup and that is pretty much the way Mohler delt with it.  So people will miss the whole purpose of the movie, to kill god,  some will not have the ability to disern that they could influence people in a bad way.  But the movie is for the glory of God, it can be used to spread the gospel very effectively by engaging the culture we live in with the true and greatest story ever told.  Amen brother</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Kyle, thanks for talking.

I think the Golden Compass is anti-christ too.  It&#039;s an anti Christian theme, sure.  But I also realize that it&#039;s SUCH a bad portrayal of God (meaning it&#039;s so fake), it&#039;s SUCH a straw-man, that it poses no real threat to any of us.  And CERTAINLY not to God.  The more fuss and cry we make about it, the more unsuspecting souls go &quot;oh it MUST be good then, let&#039;s go see!&quot;.  So the opposite of what you want to happen, happens.

I am highly considering seeing this movie, only thing that would stop me is I don&#039;t want to give these monkeys my money.  However, I want to see it so I can talk to people about it and use it as a springboard to tear down the straw man and talk about the Real God, Jesus.

Afterall, it&#039;s what Jesus did.  Get right in the mud and dirt of His days, to minister to the lost.  

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Kyle, thanks for talking.</p>
<p>I think the Golden Compass is anti-christ too.  It&#8217;s an anti Christian theme, sure.  But I also realize that it&#8217;s SUCH a bad portrayal of God (meaning it&#8217;s so fake), it&#8217;s SUCH a straw-man, that it poses no real threat to any of us.  And CERTAINLY not to God.  The more fuss and cry we make about it, the more unsuspecting souls go &#8220;oh it MUST be good then, let&#8217;s go see!&#8221;.  So the opposite of what you want to happen, happens.</p>
<p>I am highly considering seeing this movie, only thing that would stop me is I don&#8217;t want to give these monkeys my money.  However, I want to see it so I can talk to people about it and use it as a springboard to tear down the straw man and talk about the Real God, Jesus.</p>
<p>Afterall, it&#8217;s what Jesus did.  Get right in the mud and dirt of His days, to minister to the lost.  </p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well guys I am done with this one because we just keep going in circles, although like I have said before I have enjoyed this very much thank you.  A comment on the Golden Compass, worldviews do matter!  We as christian should not stuff are heads, for entertainment purposes, with stuff that is anti-christ to the core.  Try read Mohler&#039;s blog, I will read yours on this site, I am sure they say almost the same thing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well guys I am done with this one because we just keep going in circles, although like I have said before I have enjoyed this very much thank you.  A comment on the Golden Compass, worldviews do matter!  We as christian should not stuff are heads, for entertainment purposes, with stuff that is anti-christ to the core.  Try read Mohler&#8217;s blog, I will read yours on this site, I am sure they say almost the same thing!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:Shrug: so let him try.  God&#039;s got him pegged.

Why should I be upset, surprised, outraged, blah blah blah, about this movie? It&#039;s exactly what you&#039;d expect a world-system that hates God to do.

I for one won&#039;t be telling people to flee from this movie.  Let them see it.  If God is in control, and He is, then it won&#039;t be a problem.  By making such a big fuss of all the crap the world does, we just make people want to indulge in it more.  Instead, we should learn about these movies, books, whatever, so that we can intelligently converse about them with unbelievers, get down in to the dirt with them (like Jesus did), and minister to them.  You should go read the big post on the Golden Compass a few weeks ago on this site.  It&#039;s already covered there. Go search for it.

A kiss is &#039;holy&#039; by intention.

So let&#039;s use this logic, which is true by the way.

If that song was intended to be mocking (the Holy Night one), then fine.  But if MY intentions in listening to it are to laugh, and be happy, and ammused by poor singing...then how are those intentions sinful?  If I am Holy because He is Holy, and set apart by Him, can I do anything to lessen HIS HOLINESS?  I think not.  My intentions were not hateful to Christ, mocking to Christ, or anything towards God at ALL.  I was merely laughing at the bad singing, which is the ENTIRE point of the post in the first place.

So your logic, or the Bible&#039;s logic rather, goes both ways friend.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>:Shrug: so let him try.  God&#8217;s got him pegged.</p>
<p>Why should I be upset, surprised, outraged, blah blah blah, about this movie? It&#8217;s exactly what you&#8217;d expect a world-system that hates God to do.</p>
<p>I for one won&#8217;t be telling people to flee from this movie.  Let them see it.  If God is in control, and He is, then it won&#8217;t be a problem.  By making such a big fuss of all the crap the world does, we just make people want to indulge in it more.  Instead, we should learn about these movies, books, whatever, so that we can intelligently converse about them with unbelievers, get down in to the dirt with them (like Jesus did), and minister to them.  You should go read the big post on the Golden Compass a few weeks ago on this site.  It&#8217;s already covered there. Go search for it.</p>
<p>A kiss is &#8216;holy&#8217; by intention.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s use this logic, which is true by the way.</p>
<p>If that song was intended to be mocking (the Holy Night one), then fine.  But if MY intentions in listening to it are to laugh, and be happy, and ammused by poor singing&#8230;then how are those intentions sinful?  If I am Holy because He is Holy, and set apart by Him, can I do anything to lessen HIS HOLINESS?  I think not.  My intentions were not hateful to Christ, mocking to Christ, or anything towards God at ALL.  I was merely laughing at the bad singing, which is the ENTIRE point of the post in the first place.</p>
<p>So your logic, or the Bible&#8217;s logic rather, goes both ways friend.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe C.

You ever heard of Paul telling people to greet each other with a HOLY kiss?  So the question is how is a kiss holy???  No an athesist would not be hugging from a godly heart.  The hate God and the things of God!  I was just commenting on the motives behind the hug should be to glorify God, not that ever hug is holy.  If you don&#039;t love God you personal can not glorify Him, not saying that God will not recieve His glory in due time, but personal a person that hates God will not glorfiy Him as they should.  The Golden Compass was written to counter Chronicles.  Here is a link with some stuff about the movie.  I think this guy has a great perpective on it, although you more that likely don&#039;t like him.  And this is what the author said about his books.â€œI want to kill God in the minds of children.â€ Philip Pullman, Author of the â€œThe Golden Compassâ€ taken from the trilogy of books His Dark Material

http://www.albertmohler.com/blog.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe C.</p>
<p>You ever heard of Paul telling people to greet each other with a HOLY kiss?  So the question is how is a kiss holy???  No an athesist would not be hugging from a godly heart.  The hate God and the things of God!  I was just commenting on the motives behind the hug should be to glorify God, not that ever hug is holy.  If you don&#8217;t love God you personal can not glorify Him, not saying that God will not recieve His glory in due time, but personal a person that hates God will not glorfiy Him as they should.  The Golden Compass was written to counter Chronicles.  Here is a link with some stuff about the movie.  I think this guy has a great perpective on it, although you more that likely don&#8217;t like him.  And this is what the author said about his books.â€œI want to kill God in the minds of children.â€ Philip Pullman, Author of the â€œThe Golden Compassâ€ taken from the trilogy of books His Dark Material</p>
<p><a href="http://www.albertmohler.com/blog.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.albertmohler.com/blog.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hatefulness?? Wowser...you&#039;re a &lt;em&gt;little&lt;/em&gt; off me thinks Steve.

No one is mocking Christ, sorry you feel that way.

Merry &quot;Pagan Holiday turned Christian Holiday by the RCC&quot; to you too,

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hatefulness?? Wowser&#8230;you&#8217;re a <em>little</em> off me thinks Steve.</p>
<p>No one is mocking Christ, sorry you feel that way.</p>
<p>Merry &#8220;Pagan Holiday turned Christian Holiday by the RCC&#8221; to you too,</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Julie,

Did what I say come too close to home? Maybe your reaction is a response to personal conviction and it&#039;s a little too much to bear. The term &quot;ALL&quot; was used simply as a literary expression as obviously I don&#039;t know the condition of all people and I should not have painted with a broad brush. But if that is the only negative that you can find in my comment then maybe there is a point to be made. By the way, how many thousands or millions are you speaking for? 

It&#039;s wonderful that you had a very moving time in your Sunday School class. You are blessed. But that doesn&#039;t take away from the original purpose of this post. It is a blatant mocking of things that have a reference to God, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. I expect that from the world, but not from the very bride of Christ. But if you&#039;re all right with that--no problem. I have no intentions of getting into a debate back and forth on this issue. I don&#039;t know you and you don&#039;t know me. You guys do what you do. After all you don&#039;t answer to me but to God. But if your reaction to my simple and forgetful comments extracted such hatefulness, I wonder what you will do when you are faced with real persecution. 

Julie, you have a great life and may the Lord bless you in every way!

Merry Christmas!
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Julie,</p>
<p>Did what I say come too close to home? Maybe your reaction is a response to personal conviction and it&#8217;s a little too much to bear. The term &#8220;ALL&#8221; was used simply as a literary expression as obviously I don&#8217;t know the condition of all people and I should not have painted with a broad brush. But if that is the only negative that you can find in my comment then maybe there is a point to be made. By the way, how many thousands or millions are you speaking for? </p>
<p>It&#8217;s wonderful that you had a very moving time in your Sunday School class. You are blessed. But that doesn&#8217;t take away from the original purpose of this post. It is a blatant mocking of things that have a reference to God, specifically the Lord Jesus Christ. I expect that from the world, but not from the very bride of Christ. But if you&#8217;re all right with that&#8211;no problem. I have no intentions of getting into a debate back and forth on this issue. I don&#8217;t know you and you don&#8217;t know me. You guys do what you do. After all you don&#8217;t answer to me but to God. But if your reaction to my simple and forgetful comments extracted such hatefulness, I wonder what you will do when you are faced with real persecution. </p>
<p>Julie, you have a great life and may the Lord bless you in every way!</p>
<p>Merry Christmas!<br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Joe C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atheists hug each other too Kyle.  Does that come from a godly heart?  Some weird standards that are not in Scripture are being laid out here.

Bruce Almighty was hysterical, but that was a long time ago, and I didn&#039;t waste my money in the theater on it, and it had some bad points.  I thought it illustrated man&#039;s desire to sin and want to be God quite well though.  The god they portrayed was a straw-man false god, so what&#039;s the problem? They weren&#039;t talking about the real God.  Same reasoning for The Golden Compass, in case you&#039;re wondering.  What we put in to our bodies doesn&#039;t make us unclean, what comes OUT does, says Jesus.  I didn&#039;t see the second one because it made no sense at all.

Why tell the guy to build an Ark and bring all the different animal SPECIES (huge problem) to the Ark if it&#039;s just going to be a local flood?  I have the same problem with the people who believe Noah&#039;s flood was just local.  How does that make any sense?  &quot;Hey Methuselah, I&#039;m going to go walk on over to Ur and escape God&#039;s judgment, see ya!&quot;  LOL

That wasn&#039;t the only reason I didn&#039;t see it though.

Joe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists hug each other too Kyle.  Does that come from a godly heart?  Some weird standards that are not in Scripture are being laid out here.</p>
<p>Bruce Almighty was hysterical, but that was a long time ago, and I didn&#8217;t waste my money in the theater on it, and it had some bad points.  I thought it illustrated man&#8217;s desire to sin and want to be God quite well though.  The god they portrayed was a straw-man false god, so what&#8217;s the problem? They weren&#8217;t talking about the real God.  Same reasoning for The Golden Compass, in case you&#8217;re wondering.  What we put in to our bodies doesn&#8217;t make us unclean, what comes OUT does, says Jesus.  I didn&#8217;t see the second one because it made no sense at all.</p>
<p>Why tell the guy to build an Ark and bring all the different animal SPECIES (huge problem) to the Ark if it&#8217;s just going to be a local flood?  I have the same problem with the people who believe Noah&#8217;s flood was just local.  How does that make any sense?  &#8220;Hey Methuselah, I&#8217;m going to go walk on over to Ur and escape God&#8217;s judgment, see ya!&#8221;  LOL</p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t the only reason I didn&#8217;t see it though.</p>
<p>Joe</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle in WI</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle in WI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to say thank you for the great conversation.  It seems to me that you guys like Rob Bell and the like and I think I am safe to say you might consider yourself &quot;emergent&quot;  Would this be correct?  So alot of the post modern thought is about discussing things and not holding a dogmatic postion(which is what ever christaian should do!).  It seems like both sides of this debate just held to the dogmatic postion with out much thought.   Just repeating the same words and never probing the issue.  Although I think that some of the converstaion we had probed it to the actually question istead of just yelling what we beleive, I had to think!  I know sometimes the people from slice can see a little cold and harsh but they are christian(not all of them, only God knows).  Conversation is a lot better than name calling.  Which is what a lot of you guys did on both sides.  Instead of using sacrasim and name calling(hymners, the way you used it seemed mean) try asking question as to why they see it that way and truly get a great discussion going!  Thank you for all the insight, I will now put your blog on my favs so I can check in and see what else I can learn from you guys.  Thank you for your time and thoughtfull response.

Blessings in Christ
Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to say thank you for the great conversation.  It seems to me that you guys like Rob Bell and the like and I think I am safe to say you might consider yourself &#8220;emergent&#8221;  Would this be correct?  So alot of the post modern thought is about discussing things and not holding a dogmatic postion(which is what ever christaian should do!).  It seems like both sides of this debate just held to the dogmatic postion with out much thought.   Just repeating the same words and never probing the issue.  Although I think that some of the converstaion we had probed it to the actually question istead of just yelling what we beleive, I had to think!  I know sometimes the people from slice can see a little cold and harsh but they are christian(not all of them, only God knows).  Conversation is a lot better than name calling.  Which is what a lot of you guys did on both sides.  Instead of using sacrasim and name calling(hymners, the way you used it seemed mean) try asking question as to why they see it that way and truly get a great discussion going!  Thank you for all the insight, I will now put your blog on my favs so I can check in and see what else I can learn from you guys.  Thank you for your time and thoughtfull response.</p>
<p>Blessings in Christ<br />
Kyle</p>
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