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		<title>By: F Whittenburg</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/12/22/christmas-and-relevancy/comment-page-1/#comment-37925</link>
		<dc:creator>F Whittenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews, I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by ALL MEANS save some. And this I do for the gospel&#039;s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you (1 Corinthians 9:19-23 KJV).

Relevance?

F Whittenburg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more. And unto the Jews, I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law; To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law of Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by ALL MEANS save some. And this I do for the gospel&#8217;s sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you (1 Corinthians 9:19-23 KJV).</p>
<p>Relevance?</p>
<p>F Whittenburg</p>
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		<title>By: F Whittenburg</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2007/12/22/christmas-and-relevancy/comment-page-1/#comment-37922</link>
		<dc:creator>F Whittenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Relevancy is explaining the gospel in understandable terms enhanced by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit does the rest. Otherwise we should just print verses and hand them out, period. &quot;

AMEN!

F Whittenburg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Relevancy is explaining the gospel in understandable terms enhanced by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit does the rest. Otherwise we should just print verses and hand them out, period. &#8221;</p>
<p>AMEN!</p>
<p>F Whittenburg</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 16:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris L., 

Now that you mention it, I remember his saying things along those lines... I understand the draw of it though, if you say all we need to do is read the Scriptures and do what they say, without the burden of context or authorial intent - you a freer to make it say what you want it to say.

We all read into things from time to time, but abandoning the context makes it a lot easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris L., </p>
<p>Now that you mention it, I remember his saying things along those lines&#8230; I understand the draw of it though, if you say all we need to do is read the Scriptures and do what they say, without the burden of context or authorial intent &#8211; you a freer to make it say what you want it to say.</p>
<p>We all read into things from time to time, but abandoning the context makes it a lot easier.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris P seems to have lost it a while back.. he come here rambles on about stuff that sounds like he might be saying something and then casts out some strange accusations that seems to be at some of us...

I guess that is the difference between approaching some with love and humility and just hating others because they are different than you.

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris P seems to have lost it a while back.. he come here rambles on about stuff that sounds like he might be saying something and then casts out some strange accusations that seems to be at some of us&#8230;</p>
<p>I guess that is the difference between approaching some with love and humility and just hating others because they are different than you.</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,

Chris P is affronted by the hermeneutic we often use here (and even Johnny Mac uses) which says that we must first ascertain what scripture meant to the people it was first written to so that we can understand the underlying intent for exegesis.   Since this sometimes includes reviewing Josephus and other sources outside of scripture (for context), Hillel and other Jewish sources sometimes get mentioned.

The &quot;preterism&quot; piece is a shot at my general acceptance of a partial-preterist view of eschatology which says that much of what premillennial dispensationalism interprets as unfulfilled prophecy was actually fulfilled in the first century.  (For example, the archaeological proof that Caesar worship during Domitian required that you burn incense to Caesar and accept his mark on your goods and on your body to buy and sell in the marketplace per &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&amp;chapter=13&amp;verse=17&amp;version=31&amp;context=verse&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rev 13:17&lt;/a&gt;).  I suppose it could loosely be called a &quot;system&quot;, but PP doesn&#039;t insist that once-fulfilled prophecy cannot be fulfilled a second time, while at the same time avoiding expectant &quot;date setting&quot;...

As to what it has to do with this article?  Pretty much nothing.  Just a rant...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,</p>
<p>Chris P is affronted by the hermeneutic we often use here (and even Johnny Mac uses) which says that we must first ascertain what scripture meant to the people it was first written to so that we can understand the underlying intent for exegesis.   Since this sometimes includes reviewing Josephus and other sources outside of scripture (for context), Hillel and other Jewish sources sometimes get mentioned.</p>
<p>The &#8220;preterism&#8221; piece is a shot at my general acceptance of a partial-preterist view of eschatology which says that much of what premillennial dispensationalism interprets as unfulfilled prophecy was actually fulfilled in the first century.  (For example, the archaeological proof that Caesar worship during Domitian required that you burn incense to Caesar and accept his mark on your goods and on your body to buy and sell in the marketplace per <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=73&#038;chapter=13&#038;verse=17&#038;version=31&#038;context=verse" rel="nofollow">Rev 13:17</a>).  I suppose it could loosely be called a &#8220;system&#8221;, but PP doesn&#8217;t insist that once-fulfilled prophecy cannot be fulfilled a second time, while at the same time avoiding expectant &#8220;date setting&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>As to what it has to do with this article?  Pretty much nothing.  Just a rant&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is here that I usually apply the C word because that is what you alluded to. Man can understand the facts of the gospel, and the Holy Spirit is the power that brings salvation to a sinner.

Let&#039;s face it, that chronology and all the mystery surrounding when a sinner believes et. al. will never fully be know this side of eternity. Relevancy is explaining the gospel in understandable terms enhanced by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit does the rest. Otherwise we should just print verses and hand them out, period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is here that I usually apply the C word because that is what you alluded to. Man can understand the facts of the gospel, and the Holy Spirit is the power that brings salvation to a sinner.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s face it, that chronology and all the mystery surrounding when a sinner believes et. al. will never fully be know this side of eternity. Relevancy is explaining the gospel in understandable terms enhanced by the Spirit, the Holy Spirit does the rest. Otherwise we should just print verses and hand them out, period.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,

I agree - abuse is alway the issue... whether it&#039;s alcohol, sex, or attempts to be relevant.

The 19th Century liberal who denied the virgin birth in an attempt to be relevant to a modernist mind is as guilty as the 20th Century Emergent who denies the uniqueness of Christ in attempt to be relevant to a postmodernist.

ODM&#039;s and Chris P. just seem to be unable to discern the difference between the &quot;thing&quot; and the &quot;thing abused.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,</p>
<p>I agree &#8211; abuse is alway the issue&#8230; whether it&#8217;s alcohol, sex, or attempts to be relevant.</p>
<p>The 19th Century liberal who denied the virgin birth in an attempt to be relevant to a modernist mind is as guilty as the 20th Century Emergent who denies the uniqueness of Christ in attempt to be relevant to a postmodernist.</p>
<p>ODM&#8217;s and Chris P. just seem to be unable to discern the difference between the &#8220;thing&#8221; and the &#8220;thing abused.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Martino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Martino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See Rick, we agree here. I think maybe there are people who take the idea of total depravity to mean that an unsaved person cannot understand the gospel message unless God explains it to them so we don&#039;t have to worry about making sense. I guess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See Rick, we agree here. I think maybe there are people who take the idea of total depravity to mean that an unsaved person cannot understand the gospel message unless God explains it to them so we don&#8217;t have to worry about making sense. I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our whole mission is to preach the gospel in a way that sinners understand. Paul goes to Mars Hill (sorry) and speaks relevantly before presenting Christ. It isn&#039;t relevancy that is the problem, it is the abuse of relevancy. (health and wealth, etc.)

I&#039;m just not sure what Chris P. meant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our whole mission is to preach the gospel in a way that sinners understand. Paul goes to Mars Hill (sorry) and speaks relevantly before presenting Christ. It isn&#8217;t relevancy that is the problem, it is the abuse of relevancy. (health and wealth, etc.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure what Chris P. meant.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Your minimalist, praxis driven doctrines have no regard for proper exegesis, which is why this site promotes preterism and â€œHillelianâ€ interpretation.&quot;

minimalist - not sure what you mean, or what I am guilty of.  But the rest of you comment pretty much minimizes the incarnation significantly.

praxis driven doctrine - you know not what what drives my doctrine...and application follow interpretation

preterism - irrelevant to the discussion, but since you bring it up, I am not a preterist and it has no bearing on this topic

hillelian - not sure the point here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your minimalist, praxis driven doctrines have no regard for proper exegesis, which is why this site promotes preterism and â€œHillelianâ€ interpretation.&#8221;</p>
<p>minimalist &#8211; not sure what you mean, or what I am guilty of.  But the rest of you comment pretty much minimizes the incarnation significantly.</p>
<p>praxis driven doctrine &#8211; you know not what what drives my doctrine&#8230;and application follow interpretation</p>
<p>preterism &#8211; irrelevant to the discussion, but since you bring it up, I am not a preterist and it has no bearing on this topic</p>
<p>hillelian &#8211; not sure the point here</p>
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