I have studied Creationism vs Evolution.

And I do in fact believe that God created the whole thing. At some point in the story line, it all had to start somewhere, under some set of circumstances. I guess it all depends on what story line, and timeline, you can trust. And you’re right, people have embraced various degrees of evolution, and have been able to keep that separate from their core values as Christians.

But i think you’ll still find that the abundance of theory, and respected theory at that, still tilts in favor of “old earth”. I’d be a little careful using the word “evidence”. Theory is a bit more accurate. If it truly was evidence, then the whole issue would have been laid to rest a long time ago.

And for whatever its worth, I can’t quite wrap my head around “billions” either. The number is so out there, you can’t even find a way to put it in perspective. Just as 6 thousand, or ten thousand is incomprehensible on the other side of the spectrum.

I find the whole thing so fascinating because it’s become such a litmus test regarding one’s “Christianness”. As the defensive response usually goes, ” If you can’t believe all of it…you can’t believe any of it. You can’t cherry-pick through the book and adhere to the parts that make sense, and dismiss the parts that are questionable. As if the bible were a house of cards, and all you had to do is pull one card out and the whole thing would tumble. It don’t think its that fragile. I think you can be a believer and still have doubts about the literalness (if that’s actually a word) of it all.

But if you think God used some sort of theisitic evolution then I am not sure… I am not really sure about all of this. People throughout history have been christian’s while still holding to millions and billions of years. The debate is not of the age of the earth ect… but that indeed that God did do what He said, mainly that He created!

I was just trying to tell Kenn to dig into that kinda stuff deeper and you will be amazed at the evidence for the accuracy of the bible in terms of the sciences like geology, oriins, arechology ect…That is all I was trying to do.

Study Creationism vs. Evolution.

The only sound logical and reasonable explaintaion for life is a creator. Look up Anthony Flew. He is a Brithish philosopher and was a great athesist. Most of his arguments from the 50’s are still used today. he has come to the conclusion that there is a creator, not a christian God, but something had to do it. he points to micro-biology and many other things. he says he has to follow the evidence where it leads.

Doubts yes i do have them, but when I look to Christ He tends to help my unbelif.

And I’m not saying that just to stir the pot. Aren’t you capable of at least a millisecond of doubt every time archiologists discover another set of dinosaur bones and tag them as millions of years old? And then you have to remind yourself, and wag your finger at the TV reporter that no matter how old they say it is…no matter how they calculate the age, it can’t be older than 6 thousand years old, ’cause the bible…..

And then you start to wonder. Why, with all their sophisticated scientific methods of dating fossils, can’t they come up with something around the 6 thousand year range, so it makes it all nice and tidy. Maybe because it is much older, and to say otherwise is a huge concession that compromises everything science stands for.

Just a thought.

Joe-
just thinking about spring training makes me feel like spring is the light at the end of this winter tunnel. Two months will roll around in no time!

Paula-
Joe and Chris L are correct. The issue of alcohol consumption never fails to peg the needle on the “sin-o-meter”. Along with other burning issues like dancing, rock and roll and all that other really horrible secular stuff. Helloooooooooooo. What decade, (or century) are we stuck in?

If you beleive that artistic license was taken and that we can never know what was said, not in totality, between Adam and Eve then you call God and Jesus a liar. The bible was given, and the words, in it for our instruction and sundry other ends. To try and say we should not think that about Eve because we do not have the whole story is to say that God is trying to keep us in the dark.

I agree with this that Eve was legalistic in her attutidue towards the tree and the command of God that she heard through Adam. This is not new and has been noted by others before us. I still do not see why this is so unorthodx?

Newcenturion & Chris P.

What is so wrong with noting this about Eve? Is it a false doctrine that we are extracting from the Word? Does what is deduced by this narritive keeping in line with the rest of the bible. Bottom line why is it so crazy that say that Eve add to the command of God and the penalty that would follow?

“the majority”? Probably not.

A vocal minority? O yeah.