But…I think lying is just as bad a homosexuality is just as bad as murder is just as bad as hatred.

If that makes sense. Sin is sin. Makes you think, if so many Christians say that homosexuals can’t be Christians, what are they saying about themselves since I guarentee they lie at least once a week? Liars can’t be Christians….huh?

Joe

Just read the post again… good job. Sorry the comments were so hijacked. I hoped that by calling attention to the only point some would talk about would make them go deeper, but it seems that some only swim in the shallow end…

As far as the Holy Spirit being dead… I think that is true in many churches… I found in some that tradition replaced the HS while in others programs did Him in.

Mostly I find that many people profess a “belief” but in their own action, would take a bull and sacrifice it and follow the OT to the “T” if they could… (Of course it would be still picking and choosing on their part.)

I believe that many think these rules “do not touch, do not eat, do not drink” are sincere. I think though that they miss that they have become salt that lost its flavor…

They need the Life of Christ to live the Christian life… without the Holy Spirit, one cannot live the Christian life… so the replacement of the Holy Spirit is man made rules that sound godly and have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence. I think that is evident in the sensuous words people like Ingrid use in their writings… it reveals their own lascivious heart and really says nothing about the people they attack.

To lose one’s first Love, is when we lose walking in the Power of the Holy Spirit… we fall from grace to works and deceive ourselves thinking we please God by our “sacrifices”.

I think God sees it like He states in Malachi…

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.

The seed of their faith becomes faithlessness and their sacrifices are as dung wiped on their faces…

Only Jesus pleased God… and unless we walk in His righteousness and in His obedience, we only make ourselves more offensive to God…

I do believe God’s grace goes out more than most realize… yet, the harsh words spoken to those “religionists” seems to indicate that their sin is even a worse sin that others… even homosexuality…

be blessed,
iggy

If what you are stating was scripture, one might have a chance in understanding it as it would be truth…

Maybe if you used a bit of scripture even that would help in your getting the point across…

First you know, then you speak.

I agree, and you know absolutely nothing about me to make any judgment about me… so I think you need heed your own advise and humble out a bit. Your pride is showing and so far I would not accept much from you as arrogance can keep even one who “knows” from speaking truth clearly.

So… we stand at an impasse as you only come across as one who desires everyone to bow to his teaching when he is blind that there is no one to teach.

A leader cannot lead if no one follows and a leader must show his worthiness to be followed to have a following… unless they want a mindless cult that bleats over every wolf cry.

iggy

Stick to the milk – same lack of listening skills and ability to understand complex scripture.

It is obvious by your responses that you do not have the listening skills developed to understand Scripture of any complexity.

Stick to the milk.

Joe

It is Mr. Anon – I am not Ingrid.

Does the Bible tell you what vitamins pregnant women should take?

Does the Bible tell you the physics equations used to determine the speed of an airbag deployment in an automobile accident?

Is it useful for pregnant women to know what vitamins to take or for cars to have safety systems?

I suggest you think about your responses more carefully.

It is more like you need to think about what are the wuestions that matter that one can gain from scritpure…

Really I think very few of us have issue with you “presumed” unasked question… whatever it is.

I suggest reading this to gain a bit of prespective…

Job 38

1. Then the LORD answered Anon out of the storm. He said:
2. “Who is this that darkens my counsel with words without knowledge?
3. Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me.
4. “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
5. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it?
6. On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone–
7. while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
8. “Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb,
9. when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness,
10. when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place,
11. when I said, `This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’?
12. “Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place,
13. that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?
14. The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment.
15. The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken.
16. “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep?
17. Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death ?
18. Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this.
19. “What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside?
20. Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
21. Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!
22. “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail,
23. which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle?
24. What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth?
25. Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm,
26. to water a land where no man lives, a desert with no one in it,
27. to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass?
28. Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew?
29. From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens
30. when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?
31. “Can you bind the beautiful Pleiades? Can you loose the cords of Orion?
32. Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons or lead out the Bear with its cubs?
33. Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up [God's ] dominion over the earth?
34. “Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water?
35. Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, `Here we are’?
36. Who endowed the heart with wisdom or gave understanding to the mind ?
37. Who has the wisdom to count the clouds? Who can tip over the water jars of the heavens
38. when the dust becomes hard and the clods of earth stick together?
39. “Do you hunt the prey for the lioness and satisfy the hunger of the lions
40. when they crouch in their dens or lie in wait in a thicket?
41. Who provides food for the raven when its young cry out to God and wander about for lack of food?

iggy