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	<title>Comments on: Who&#8217;s the real liar?</title>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42712</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can nit-pick all we like about what is lying and what is appropriate and nazi&#039;s and jews, and blah blah blah...

but the bottm line is, the original was a hit piece designed to be inflamatory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can nit-pick all we like about what is lying and what is appropriate and nazi&#8217;s and jews, and blah blah blah&#8230;</p>
<p>but the bottm line is, the original was a hit piece designed to be inflamatory.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42690</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s see - if the church allows the guy to resign (which is 90+% of the time), it&#039;s not lying to say that &quot;he left&quot; or &quot;he resigned&quot;.  It&#039;s a far (and uncharitable) stretch to say that, using the hypotheticals present, that Warren is &quot;encouraging parents to lie.&quot;

You&#039;re basically creating straw-men and then slapping RW with them out of your historical hatred of him (demonstrated pretty much through every comment you&#039;ve made on this site, to date).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s see &#8211; if the church allows the guy to resign (which is 90+% of the time), it&#8217;s not lying to say that &#8220;he left&#8221; or &#8220;he resigned&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a far (and uncharitable) stretch to say that, using the hypotheticals present, that Warren is &#8220;encouraging parents to lie.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re basically creating straw-men and then slapping RW with them out of your historical hatred of him (demonstrated pretty much through every comment you&#8217;ve made on this site, to date).</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42689</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I guess if you feel the need to state that the Pastor was fired, and then want to deal with the can of worms that opens with the kids, go ahead do it. But, for what purpose and what good will it bring?&quot;

Fist of all my four or six year old don&#039;t even know what &quot;resign&quot; means.  If I tell them that he voluntarily stepped down, from my perspective, that&#039;s lying.  So yes, I would tell them that he was fired, for doing something wrong and I wouldn&#039;t have to go any further than that.  As for what good will it bring? it will show my children there is actually consequince for sin, even in adults. Also, they are well aware that they can trust in what I tell them is truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I guess if you feel the need to state that the Pastor was fired, and then want to deal with the can of worms that opens with the kids, go ahead do it. But, for what purpose and what good will it bring?&#8221;</p>
<p>Fist of all my four or six year old don&#8217;t even know what &#8220;resign&#8221; means.  If I tell them that he voluntarily stepped down, from my perspective, that&#8217;s lying.  So yes, I would tell them that he was fired, for doing something wrong and I wouldn&#8217;t have to go any further than that.  As for what good will it bring? it will show my children there is actually consequince for sin, even in adults. Also, they are well aware that they can trust in what I tell them is truth.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42686</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess from the analogy that itâ€™s just fine to lie to a child about someone resigning, this will give justificaionl for all the well meaning kids out there to â€œfudge the truth a little tooâ€.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

First off I do not see the connection between the two as how is resigning or being fired that much different? 

Also, again, most scenarios in this case is working toward restoration and reconciliation... so I would guarantee that when they told him to step down... he gave his resignation...

So, how do you define &quot;step down&quot;? Does it mean to be fired?

The point I see missed is that there is so much thought being put into this as &quot;a lie&quot; when no one knows what was stated in the office the morning the pastor confessed his sin and the discipline was given. 

I guess if you feel the need to state that the Pastor was fired, and then want to deal with the can of worms that opens with the kids, go ahead do it. But, for what purpose and what good will it bring?

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<blockquote><p>I guess from the analogy that itâ€™s just fine to lie to a child about someone resigning, this will give justificaionl for all the well meaning kids out there to â€œfudge the truth a little tooâ€.</p></blockquote>
<p>First off I do not see the connection between the two as how is resigning or being fired that much different? </p>
<p>Also, again, most scenarios in this case is working toward restoration and reconciliation&#8230; so I would guarantee that when they told him to step down&#8230; he gave his resignation&#8230;</p>
<p>So, how do you define &#8220;step down&#8221;? Does it mean to be fired?</p>
<p>The point I see missed is that there is so much thought being put into this as &#8220;a lie&#8221; when no one knows what was stated in the office the morning the pastor confessed his sin and the discipline was given. </p>
<p>I guess if you feel the need to state that the Pastor was fired, and then want to deal with the can of worms that opens with the kids, go ahead do it. But, for what purpose and what good will it bring?</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Miller</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42682</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You can be truthful without having to disclose all the specifics.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Which is exactly the point it seems Warren is making.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You can be truthful without having to disclose all the specifics.</p></blockquote>
<p>Which is exactly the point it seems Warren is making.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42680</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:00:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So, tell me honestly would you go into all that detail to a 6 year old&quot;?

No, but I wouldn&#039;t lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, tell me honestly would you go into all that detail to a 6 year old&#8221;?</p>
<p>No, but I wouldn&#8217;t lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42677</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I see that a child can be told enoughâ€¦ and I see many â€œGingerâ€™sâ€ who think full disclosure is what they need.&quot;

Hmm, and where did Ginger say &quot;full disclosure&quot; was necessary.  You can be truthful without having to disclose all the specifics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I see that a child can be told enoughâ€¦ and I see many â€œGingerâ€™sâ€ who think full disclosure is what they need.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hmm, and where did Ginger say &#8220;full disclosure&#8221; was necessary.  You can be truthful without having to disclose all the specifics.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42674</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

Nazi&#039;s are at your door and you have 10 Jew hidden in your basement... they ask you are their any Jews hidden in your house? 

What would you say?

According to you, you will turn them in.

iggy

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>Nazi&#8217;s are at your door and you have 10 Jew hidden in your basement&#8230; they ask you are their any Jews hidden in your house? </p>
<p>What would you say?</p>
<p>According to you, you will turn them in.</p>
<p>iggy</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,

You are going apples and oranges here.

Have you ever been given the choice to be fired or resign? The end result is the same... yet, one can be told to resign or be fired.

So, then you think a 6 year old needs to know that &quot;The pastor went to a strip club and had sex. In fact he paid $xxx and had her perform xxx sex on him. He then had her do xxxx and xxxx while he xxxx her. He then bought some booze and drove home drunk to this wife and kids.&quot;

I hear it now... &quot;Mommy what is xxx sex?&quot; or &quot;Can I have some money and the car keys, dad?&quot;

Is that better? 

The point is that to say resigned or fired means the same thing today in most places. One is just nicer. 

So, tell me honestly would you go into all that detail to a 6 year old?

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,</p>
<p>You are going apples and oranges here.</p>
<p>Have you ever been given the choice to be fired or resign? The end result is the same&#8230; yet, one can be told to resign or be fired.</p>
<p>So, then you think a 6 year old needs to know that &#8220;The pastor went to a strip club and had sex. In fact he paid $xxx and had her perform xxx sex on him. He then had her do xxxx and xxxx while he xxxx her. He then bought some booze and drove home drunk to this wife and kids.&#8221;</p>
<p>I hear it now&#8230; &#8220;Mommy what is xxx sex?&#8221; or &#8220;Can I have some money and the car keys, dad?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is that better? </p>
<p>The point is that to say resigned or fired means the same thing today in most places. One is just nicer. </p>
<p>So, tell me honestly would you go into all that detail to a 6 year old?</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Miller</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/09/whos-the-real-liar/comment-page-1/#comment-42669</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 18:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent,
Withholding information is not the same thing as lying.  Otherwise, I hope you go through tax returns line by line with your children just for the sake of full disclosure.  Don&#039;t want them growing up thinking you were a crook!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent,<br />
Withholding information is not the same thing as lying.  Otherwise, I hope you go through tax returns line by line with your children just for the sake of full disclosure.  Don&#8217;t want them growing up thinking you were a crook!</p>
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