I think think attempting to build up believers and equip them for good works in the context of a Sunday service is near impossible. It really can’t effectively be done with most people outside of a one-on-one discipleship relationship.

Excellent statement, Phil. It’s something that’s echoing what I’m reading…the Sunday service is sort of ineffectual for me. I can too easily fake my way through it — glazed eyes, wooden smile — I know the performance well. However, when sitting down with a Christian friend or two…nope. Can’t fake it at all. They call my bluffs, suggest correction gently, don’t let me wallow, and help me despite my protestations that everything is fine.

To me, it’s fairly easy to see — with that line in the song “put your eyes on me” or whatever it was, and the topic about illusions having something to do with looking like you have it all together on the outside for other to see, while the inside is not.

To me, a message is more effective when people can see the problem in the first place, and what God can do and why it should be fixed.

Those are just my initial observations. I don’t necessarily like the song, but the lights are pretty cool

In our church service, as I have said, every part of the service is all about magnifying Jesus Christ.

Are you sure about this?

So when someone leaves and goes to the bathroom? When a person falls asleep during service? These are “parts” to your service… these all glorify God?

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I would argue that it can get done within the context of a weekly church service, as well as small groups.

In our church service, as I have said, every part of the service is all about magnifying Jesus Christ. In our small groups, we continue that magnification. In our Sunday School classes for young and old we do the same. It all about who your focus is on: the Seeker (God) or the seeker (man)

Thats my perspective.

I still don’t consider what most seeker churches do is ‘church’- that is a worship service that is focussed on the true Seeker- God, it is focussed on attracting and retaining ’seekers’ those who may or may not have made a decision about God yet.

I think the seeker method is upside down, that the church service ought to be for equipping and discipling of believers so that they can go out and have small groups where the can live incarnationally with people who are seeking, and lead them to Christ.
That is not to mention evangelism as a daily habit.