Tale of a Twister: Lighthouse Trails reviews Dan Kimball
I have finished Dan Kimball’s latest – They Like Jesus, but Not the Church. It was an easy read that I found interesting, somewhat insightful, but to which I would not fully agree.
One of the lesser quoted (here that is) ODM’s – Lighthouse Trails has reviewed They Like Jesus, but not the Church and unfortunately they miss the point, twist the point, so to reject the point.
In the second sentence of the reviewer says:
Kimball interviews several young people (one is a lesbian) who tell him…
Since none of the people Kimball offers as examples are Believers, I wonder why the reviewer feels the need to point out that one is a lesbian. Well, OK, we all know why… But it reflects poorly on the reviewer when he/she immediately illustrates Kimball’s thesis. In the book Kimball clearly lays out his belief that homosexuality is a sin, so the watchblog can’t attack him there… but Kimball does concede:
Quite honestly, and some people might get mad at me for saying this, I sometimes wish this weren’t a sin issue, because I have met gay people who are the most kind, loving, solid, and supportive people I have ever met. As I talk to them and hear their stories and get to know them, I come to understand that their sexual orientation isn’t something they can just turn off. Homosexual attraction is not something people simply choose to have, as is quite often erroneously taught from many pulpits. (p. 138)
What is truly mind-blowing is how this is twisted. Lighthouse does this by saying:
This is alarming that Kimball is saying this. Substitute the sin for pedophilia and hear how it sounds: “I sometimes wish molesting children wasn’t a sin issue, because I have met pedophiles who are the most kind, loving, solid, and supportive people I have ever met.”
Well of course it sounds terrible. It’s also completely irrelevant and disingenuous. They could have inserted “over-eating†as another sin– but that would not have played into their hand. This retort is so logically strained, so ethically challenged (yes, it is an unethical tact) that I’m not sure it fits into any known logical fallacy category. In twisting this point they miss Kimball’s point: “…it matters how we treat fellow sinners. We all are sinners (Rom. 3:23), but the church has subtly, and sometimes not too subtly, treated some sins differently from others†(p. 138).
In another classic example of missing the point they say:
Kimball says “Christians are now the foreigners in a post-Christian culture, and we have got to wake up to this reality if we haven’t” (p. 30). He is desperate for this realization to happen saying “we aren’t respected†by those outside the church nor are we sought after for advice by unbelievers (p. 30). But Christians have always been foreigners in the world, and they have suffered terribly for it.
On the one hand the reviewer is right; Christians have always been foreigners in the world. But that is not what Kimball is talking about – and I suspect they know it. What Kimball is talking about is the recent shift in Western Culture, a shift from Christendom to post-Christendom. In this sense the contemporary Christian is undeniably more a foreigner than those from previous generations. Point missed, or ignored – either way the result is the same.
As the review goes on the condemnation becomes more sophisticated as they twist what Kimball said, then attack the twist. They write:
Kimball masterfully condemns Christians who are pro-Israel, take the Bible literally, study Bible end time prophecy and talk about hell, and likens them to negative, arrogant, unloving and vengeful people.
Problem is, Kimball does no such thing… he does not liken people who hold these beliefs as negative, arrogant, unloving and vengeful. He does not attack these beliefs or those who hold them; what he does is “attack†those who hold them negatively, arrogantly, unlovingly, and with vengeance. In this case I would say “When ya throw a stone the dog that yelps is the one that got hit.”The reviewer takes a statement on “how not†to do something and twists it into a statement that says something “should not be done.†Reminds me of: “Has God really said you cannot eat from any tree…?â€
Bottom line, regardless what you think of Kimball or his recent work, the review at Lighthouse Trails misses the point, or twists the point, to the degree that they cannot be taken seriously.






15 Comments(+Add)
I posted this comment on the “Who Killed the Holy Spirit” forum, but it seems very appropriate for this thread as well. And I agree with Kimball’s premise that many Christians think one sin is more sinful than others…
We can’t rail about homosexuality, how homosexuals can’t be saved, how bad that sin is, when we ourselves sin daily. Is not all sin, equally sinful?? Because of this, we shouldn’t focus in on one sin and shun those who do it. Unacceptable.
I think sometimes Christians are insane.
I’m one of them, -sigh-
Joe
That review is full of so many things that twist Kimball’s words, and it’s clear the author read the book with his mind already made up. This statement, though, coming from a site like Lighthouse Trails almost makes my head explode.
I’m really just about dumbfounded. A fundamentalist complaining about someone portraying things in blank and white terms. Simply amazing.
Phil,
A person can be a “fundamentalist by absolute truth” and correctly criticize another for being a “fundamentalist by not listening”.
There are at least two axis to a representation of fundamentalism.
you seriously thought The Burnt Out Lighthouse could give fair review?
Closed minds. They only reviewed the book to bolster their street cred among the faithful.
Bruce
PS It is a great book
No,
I did not expect a fair review…
Neil
A review would imply that the reader might actually understand what was written…
Lighthouse Trails has about as much to do with the truth as al Jazeera – just from a different slant…
I’m not a big fan of the Lighthouse trails website. They always accuse my favorite authors of supporting homosexuals. They did this with Philip Yancey, and I’m sure others. Why is it that when somebody says one thing they don’t agree with, suddenly every single thing that person says is heresy, even though the opposite may be true. A lot of people do this, I notice. This website just does it with my favorite authors.
Merry,
I’m fairly convinced that if we dug for the origination of ‘Guilt-by-Association’ tactics on the internet, the Lighthouse Trails site would be near ground zero…
“He does not attack these beliefs or those who hold them; what he does is “attack†those who hold them negatively, arrogantly, unlovingly, and with vengeance.”
Unfortunately this is a subjective call by both you and Kimball. How are you any better than what you claim to be against?
Virtually everyhting “exegeted” here is relative rhetoric.
Couple of unrelated thoughts:
1) As a former writer for The Lighthouse electronic Magazine (the first (and IMHO, best) web-based Christian music magazine, the site’s name bugs me. Kinda reminds me about Driscoll joking that Bell’s church (which was started second) is also called Mars Hill and that he’s in therapy over that.
2) Who says nothing good can come from the ODMs. This review has convinced me that I need to read this book. I have a sneaking suspicion that I’ll have a similar evaluation as Neil: interesting, somewhat insightful, but to which I would not fully agree.
Chris P: Unfortunately this is a subjective call by both you and Kimball.
Unfortunately this is a subjective call by you.
Chris P,
Yaaaaaaaawwwwn….
Sorry I forgot what I was going to say… it wouldn’t have mattered anyway… at least to you.
iggy
Chris P.
In the book Kimball “attacks” those who hold their beliefs arrogantly – the reviewer twists that to say he attacks anyone who holds those beliefs – BIG difference.
Neil
Neil,
C’mon, man. If you aren’t arrogant about your beliefs, then you don’t truly love Jesus. It’s right there in the book of Hezekiah.