Comments on: “When Jesus returns, He will not be in a good mood.” That’s honestly a devotional? http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/ Engaging the depths of God and life in the Kingdom Thu, 24 May 2012 15:27:23 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Jerry Hillyer http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-43088 Jerry Hillyer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:23:26 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-43088 The more I read Pastor-teacher Silva's stuff the more I become convinced that he doesn't really know what he believes. Joe C your thoughts in the thread at symphony are dead on with what I have been saying in my posts. At the root of this question is what is the functional basis of our unity in Christ? I agree that it is NOT point by point agreement in matters of theological formulation. It simply cannot be. This doesn't mean everyone is right, but neither does it mean that everyone is wrong. I think it means that all of us are pilgrims, searching by faith, and praying along the way that God will use us in spite of ourselves. I think most who visit here get that. I'm praying that soon Pastor Silva will too because I fear that as long as point by point mental assent to a theolgical formulation is the criteria for being a Christian none of us will ever be saved by God's grace. The more I read Pastor-teacher Silva’s stuff the more I become convinced that he doesn’t really know what he believes. Joe C your thoughts in the thread at symphony are dead on with what I have been saying in my posts. At the root of this question is what is the functional basis of our unity in Christ? I agree that it is NOT point by point agreement in matters of theological formulation. It simply cannot be. This doesn’t mean everyone is right, but neither does it mean that everyone is wrong. I think it means that all of us are pilgrims, searching by faith, and praying along the way that God will use us in spite of ourselves. I think most who visit here get that. I’m praying that soon Pastor Silva will too because I fear that as long as point by point mental assent to a theolgical formulation is the criteria for being a Christian none of us will ever be saved by God’s grace.

]]> By: R. Bell (the other one) http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-43019 R. Bell (the other one) Sat, 12 Jan 2008 14:35:31 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-43019 <blockquote>Comment from Julie Time: January 11, 2008, 8:31 pm What a coincidence. I’m not in a good mood, either.</blockquote> How is this different from any other day?

Comment from Julie
Time: January 11, 2008, 8:31 pm
What a coincidence. I’m not in a good mood, either.

How is this different from any other day?

]]> By: Joe Martino http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-43006 Joe Martino Sat, 12 Jan 2008 13:33:34 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-43006 I only slapped the whole "Semi-pelagian" thing in there because Ken uses that phrase more than your typical Jr. Higher changes his socks... I only slapped the whole “Semi-pelagian” thing in there because Ken uses that phrase more than your typical Jr. Higher changes his socks…

]]> By: iggy http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42952 iggy Sat, 12 Jan 2008 07:01:34 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42952 Paula, The only real "wow" is how Ken takes the Great Commission passage and turns it into a "works righeousness" teaching negating grace... And to that I agree... wow... Ken's own words make him Pelagian... iggy Paula,

The only real “wow” is how Ken takes the Great Commission passage and turns it into a “works righeousness” teaching negating grace…

And to that I agree… wow… Ken’s own words make him Pelagian…

iggy

]]> By: Joe C http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42942 Joe C Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:21:12 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42942 FYI guys and gals... Over at www.symphonyofscripture.com, they posted Ken Silva's missive in question, and the comments are open, if you'd like to say something. Though they do moderate sometimes, so watch it. And Ken is commenting there, he tore me down pretty good on "The Philosophy of Evangelism", so there's a pretty good chance you'll get eaten alive too. Just sayin...incase you want to take it to the hole. Slam dunk. LOL Joe FYI guys and gals…

Over at http://www.symphonyofscripture.com, they posted Ken Silva’s missive in question, and the comments are open, if you’d like to say something. Though they do moderate sometimes, so watch it. And Ken is commenting there, he tore me down pretty good on “The Philosophy of Evangelism”, so there’s a pretty good chance you’ll get eaten alive too.

Just sayin…incase you want to take it to the hole. Slam dunk.

LOL Joe

]]> By: Paula http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42941 Paula Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:19:19 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42941 Just....wow...wow....wow. Just….wow…wow….wow.

]]> By: Jerry Hillyer http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42936 Jerry Hillyer Sat, 12 Jan 2008 06:00:18 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42936 I too concluded that 'Pastor' Silva does not believe in salvation by grace alone, but for other reasons. He also denies 'once saved always saved' which troubles me because he claims to be Reformed. If you are at all interested, I have made two posts concerning his post 'Unity in the body of Christ'. I will be making at least one more post outlining his major theological errors of which there are many. Thanks for the post. I am happy to know that God's grace is alive in some parts of the Body of Christ! Live from my Blackberry, your fellow pilgrim, jerry. I too concluded that ‘Pastor’ Silva does not believe in salvation by grace alone, but for other reasons. He also denies ‘once saved always saved’ which troubles me because he claims to be Reformed. If you are at all interested, I have made two posts concerning his post ‘Unity in the body of Christ’. I will be making at least one more post outlining his major theological errors of which there are many. Thanks for the post. I am happy to know that God’s grace is alive in some parts of the Body of Christ! Live from my Blackberry, your fellow pilgrim, jerry.

]]> By: iggy http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42925 iggy Sat, 12 Jan 2008 05:11:15 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42925 Neil, Truthfully I am not sure if even Ken knows what he believes which I do not hold against him. I see that sometimes he claims to not be a Calvinist... then he states things Calvinists do and condemns others for not being "Calvinistic"... He called me a semi pelagian and misses that I am not... in fact I pointed out over and over he is. My view on obedience is found in Romans 5: 19... <blockquote>For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also <strong>through the obedience of the one man</strong> the many will be made righteous. </blockquote> We have no obedience, say to lean on the obedience of Jesus and walk in faith that all He did was sufficient for us. We then are to "continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose." Notice that Paul states that it is God who work in us to will and to act... we do not act on our own will that we initiate the "works" but God... I took Maj Ian Thomas' motto for my own... <blockquote>He gave His Life for you, to give His Life to you, so that He could Live His Life through you.</blockquote> I see Ken teaching that "works" are our own sign of obedience toward God... If that is the case as in this last missive he wrote then he is at very least semi pelagian... I cannot do anything that is acceptable to God except trust His Son and by the Power of the Holy Spirit, love God and love others... none of that comes from me and if it did it would be tainted and not acceptable to God for only what Jesus sees the Father do He does... so all that Jesus does is of God and of His will and not of mine. Be blessed, iggy Neil,

Truthfully I am not sure if even Ken knows what he believes which I do not hold against him. I see that sometimes he claims to not be a Calvinist… then he states things Calvinists do and condemns others for not being “Calvinistic”…

He called me a semi pelagian and misses that I am not… in fact I pointed out over and over he is.

My view on obedience is found in Romans 5: 19…

For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.

We have no obedience, say to lean on the obedience of Jesus and walk in faith that all He did was sufficient for us. We then are to “continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act according to his good purpose.”

Notice that Paul states that it is God who work in us to will and to act… we do not act on our own will that we initiate the “works” but God…

I took Maj Ian Thomas’ motto for my own…

He gave His Life for you, to give His Life to you, so that He could Live His Life through you.

I see Ken teaching that “works” are our own sign of obedience toward God… If that is the case as in this last missive he wrote then he is at very least semi pelagian…

I cannot do anything that is acceptable to God except trust His Son and by the Power of the Holy Spirit, love God and love others… none of that comes from me and if it did it would be tainted and not acceptable to God for only what Jesus sees the Father do He does… so all that Jesus does is of God and of His will and not of mine.

Be blessed,
iggy

]]> By: Neil http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42917 Neil Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:52:03 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42917 OK - your above post answered my question - I think. Are you saying that Ken believes we keep our salvation through works? Neil OK – your above post answered my question – I think. Are you saying that Ken believes we keep our salvation through works?

Neil

]]> By: Neil http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/comment-page-1/#comment-42916 Neil Sat, 12 Jan 2008 04:50:48 +0000 http://christianresearchnetwork.info/2008/01/11/when-jesus-returns-he-will-not-be-in-a-good-mood-thats-honestly-a-devotional/#comment-42916 Iggy, You're dialog between Anon and Ken was pretty good. Regarding the former, if we don't feed the need I think he'll disapear... To be a Pelagian (semi or full) wouldn't the obedience requirement be in reference to salvation? Obedience in the sense of being worthy of our calling after conversion is not Pelagianism as I understand it. I'm not taking Ken's side, just exploring your's... Neil Iggy,

You’re dialog between Anon and Ken was pretty good. Regarding the former, if we don’t feed the need I think he’ll disapear…

To be a Pelagian (semi or full) wouldn’t the obedience requirement be in reference to salvation? Obedience in the sense of being worthy of our calling after conversion is not Pelagianism as I understand it.

I’m not taking Ken’s side, just exploring your’s…

Neil

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