Comments on: CR?N Takes On Donald Miller

By: Neil

Neil — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:47:34 +0000

All the above to say, as much as Inquisitor would like to tie the two together, being fed-up with the religious right does not equate to be soft on sin issues.

Neil

By: Neil

Neil — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:45:19 +0000

RE: Politics and Christianity.

Recently I spoke with a woman who was complaining that Mike Huckabee was waving the Christian flag while being a social liberal. Socially liberal mind you, not morally. We were not talking about sins such as abortion or homosexuality, she was talking about issues like health care and taxes.

The issues she thought were incongruous with being Christian were economic, not moral. To her claiming to be evangelical and economical liberal were inconsistent.

I tried to explore this connection but she got testy so I gave up.

Neil

By: Neil

Neil — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:22:14 +0000

“Iggy,
Thanks for proving my point. He was on a campus during a time of rampant sin and does he stand against it??? No he gives his stamp of approval of what is going on by 1. remaining silent. and 2. by confessing his sins to them instead of telling them that THEY needed to both STOP sinning and confess THEIR sins against God.

So youâ€™re right, he doesnâ€™t stand against sin.”

WOW! Sometimes all I think think to say is “WOW” – though I think Chris L’s comment about Hubris was a better response.

By: Neil

Neil — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:16:25 +0000

“…and can we interpret â€œinsensitivity to people who arenâ€™t like usâ€ as refusing to allow others to justify abortion, homosexuality, and sin????”

Some might – but it could also mean not singling out certain “sins” which the American Evangelical so often does…

By: Neil

Neil — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:14:05 +0000

“Can we interpret â€œconservative politicsâ€ with anti-abortion, anti-homosexuality, and anti-sin???? Is it these things that he didnâ€™t like?”

No, and no.

By: pastorboy

pastorboy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:42:15 +0000

I am the chief of sinners

I deserve Hell an death more than any man.

I am so glad that Christ came and was made the propitiation for my sins. What love! I deserve the wrath of God and I get the grace of God.

By: Matt B

Matt B — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:07:30 +0000

Fundamentalists are just as purpose driven as Rick Warren. While they accuse him of being soft on sin to impress unbelievers, they use sin and hell to terrify and harass people into the kingdom. Which is worse?

By: Phil Miller

Phil Miller — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:47:01 +0000

Fundamentalists: attempting to do the Holy Spirit’s work for Him since 1923.

Here I always thought it was the Holy Spirit who convicted people of sin. Do people really think that the general population think the Church approves of sin. We’ve been pretty good at getting our message out on that one.

I always think it’s somewhat funny people use the language of “taking a stand” when talking about sin. It’s easy to take a stand. Just the language itself involves not moving. We’re “standing firm”, “won’t be moved”, etc. The thing is Jesus was moved by other’s sin. He didn’t just “take a stand” and tell people they were wrong. He offered them hope.

By: iggy

iggy — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:56:31 +0000

Inq,

Yes… he did and he did more in what he did by being honest and open and with an apology than if he stood there condemning others as if he was less a sinner than the others around him…

Is that what you think of yourself? That you are less a sinner than anyone else?

iggy

By: Chris L

Chris L — Tue, 22 Jan 2008 05:12:03 +0000

In all seriousness, though, it was a brilliant move on Miller’s part. The number one reason people in America avoid the church is because of a perception of hypocrisy and a lack of humility in regards to externals. By opening his witness with a sincere confession and apology, it disarmed this perception.

Well done, Donald!