Comments on: let’s just not talk about it.

By: Neil

Neil — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 20:01:47 +0000

Nathan,

If I could tweak what you said a bit I would say that England is “Post-Christendom” not post-Christian.

I make this distinction for two reasons:
1) Post-Christendom is more accurate since “Post-Christian” implies that it was, at one time “Christian.”
2) Post-Christendom speaks of the waning influence of a cultural- Christianity, were “Post-Christian” makes it sound like the Gospel has no more power there.

Make sense?

Neil

By: andy

andy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:36:20 +0000

Hi i really struggle with this idea of post modern,maybe i’m missing something..

People to me seem the same as they always were..Maybe its a class thing?I’m not being sarcastic but in my neck of the wood (veryyyy working class) nothings really changed..

By: nathan

nathan — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:29:48 +0000

England is a perfect example of a post Christian, post modern, post western society. America is almost there. But let’s not upset ourselves with changing our methods to reach this new culture

By: merry

merry — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:08:35 +0000

No, you didn’t paint a completely bad picture, Andy. There’s good and bad in all countries.

By: andy

andy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:35:10 +0000

Don’t want to paint a completely bad picture.. I’m not sure if the above includes the more left of field Church’s who may be off the radar, i.e charismatic,house churches and the emergent may be moving into the gap made by the traditional churches..

For instance my old church the pastor came to Chris church recently to visit Rob,there very popular, lots of teens from collage go there..

By: merry

merry — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:12:50 +0000

Oh, and yes, you’ll see quite a few teens and kids in American churches– partly due to active youth groups and activities.

Do churches in England have youth groups or Chrisitian youth programs? If there isn’t that might be a start.

By: merry

merry — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 01:08:48 +0000

Wow, Andy. I didn’t realize that about England. I guess there are quite a few more church-goers than that in America. I think something like 82% of Americans claim to be Christian . . . I don’t know how many actually go to church, but I doubt it’s anywhere near that.

By: andy

andy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:59:26 +0000

Yeah i should of said “get the message over to these kids”

England’s all over the place at the moment..

71 % say their Christian if they write on an official document..
But 66% of the population have no actual connection to any religion or church of any faith..
Between 1979 and 2005, half of all Christians stopped going to church on a Sunday..

Not the best figure huh?

By: Joe C

Joe C — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:31:32 +0000

One of the guys I discipled got stationed over at Mildenhall AFB last year, he’s back visiting now for a week, and he’s been telling me how utterly post Christian that country is [England]. And how such a small percentage of the population is actually Christian, or actually goes to church. He’s having a very hard time finding anyone he can meet with to disciple. So I know what you mean, it’s hard to find common ground to broach the subject of The Gospel with people, but keep trying. It’s a little easier here in the States I feel because most if not everyone has heard something about Jesus and Christians, even if it’s unfavorable.

Also, I see what you mean about “sell”. Must be a cultural thing there.

Joe

By: andy

andy — Wed, 30 Jan 2008 00:23:21 +0000

Englands a lot different to what I preceive America to be,I may be wrong..We get the impression a lottttttttt of people go to church there, even teens?

If you use the term born again in England people are like uh oh nutter,so at least you have a better starting point,their at least coming to church?