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		<title>By: lisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thank you nathan...for your support in this matter. and to Brian I understand your concern but the only people that could see her pics. were people on her friends list! But anyway I hope this is all settled and we dont have to hear about this anymore! Again I check her myspace daily to see who see talks to and accepts as a friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thank you nathan&#8230;for your support in this matter. and to Brian I understand your concern but the only people that could see her pics. were people on her friends list! But anyway I hope this is all settled and we dont have to hear about this anymore! Again I check her myspace daily to see who see talks to and accepts as a friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 02:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before we get any deeper between Brian and Lisa, maybe we should bow out.

Lisa, I hope you see the difference in attitudes between the various folks that post on this blog.

Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before we get any deeper between Brian and Lisa, maybe we should bow out.</p>
<p>Lisa, I hope you see the difference in attitudes between the various folks that post on this blog.</p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>By: nathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story gets shadier and shadier... you STILL take the time to rail the church... unbelievable.  I think the case is closed now.  While I don&#039; think that you lied, I see that you completely mishandled the situation and took advantage of it to make a point. On top of that, you have soiled the name of Christ with this family.

Lisa,
I am sorry that you have had to go through this.  We wish to extend you love and help with whatever you need.  Just let us know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story gets shadier and shadier&#8230; you STILL take the time to rail the church&#8230; unbelievable.  I think the case is closed now.  While I don&#8217; think that you lied, I see that you completely mishandled the situation and took advantage of it to make a point. On top of that, you have soiled the name of Christ with this family.</p>
<p>Lisa,<br />
I am sorry that you have had to go through this.  We wish to extend you love and help with whatever you need.  Just let us know.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Culver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Culver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if anyone wants to check on the truthfulness of what I am saying, I just remembered, that on my blog, if you look under my personal profile, there is a link to listen to the revival I held back on Oct 21, 2007.  In this revival, I spoke about some of the things that happened in the church just three weeks earlier.  I think you will see where my heart is and find that I am being truthful here.

thanks and God bless
till His nets are full
Brian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if anyone wants to check on the truthfulness of what I am saying, I just remembered, that on my blog, if you look under my personal profile, there is a link to listen to the revival I held back on Oct 21, 2007.  In this revival, I spoke about some of the things that happened in the church just three weeks earlier.  I think you will see where my heart is and find that I am being truthful here.</p>
<p>thanks and God bless<br />
till His nets are full<br />
Brian</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Culver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Culver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to respond to what Lisa says...&#039;
Comment from lisa
Time: January 31, 2008, 5:54 pm

you guys are a bunch of sad peopleâ€¦. just to let you know that i am the girls mother. I check her myspace every day or so. And yes what she posted was inappropriate for her to do but it was sent to her by a friend!!!! So she just reposted it. not understanding the meaning that some perverted adults would take it. There is nothing mentioned about sex itâ€™s just how brian read it! 

I admit, it is how I read it.  I think if you asked 100 people, there are over 90 of them would agree with me that this could have been a very dangerous situation for a little girl. 

Also if Brian had a problem having a myspace to talk to friend and family then why did he contact her on her birthday last year on her myspace. So there is something totally wrong with that. 

Wishing someone happy birthday from church is not wrong. regardless of age.

Just to let you know he is lying to you people he never talked to me about adding her like he claims. He also talks about one of her friends! 

I am not lying to anyone.  The person I was talking about was not LIsa but a mother of her daughters best friend.  It is her daughters best friend who enjoys evangelizing and we made sure she had some tracts so she could go out and do it.

And to let you all know that paige knows about all thisâ€¦she is totally upset with all this that a man that she trusted from her church 

yes, she trusted me and it is because of a mutual caring for her, that I did not want to see any chance at all that something bad could come from a post that could be construed as dangerous and inviting.

(until he got kicked out) 

I left the church for a couple of reasons.  This church has no elders. I was the prayer and praise leader.  People got offended when I read Scripture from the pulpit.  I read Scripture and told people we need to be obedient to God&#039;s Word.  Many in the church were very supportive and agreed with me.  Unfortunately, the founding members of the church did not want Scripture read.  They liked it the old way.  don&#039;t mention anything about sin and the need to repent.  One of the founding members made a comment in Sunday School where she said, &quot;I am glad that God forgives me every time I flip someone off.&quot;  We were all shocked when we heard that.  The pastor was told about it and nothing was said or done about it.  The homosexual boy is a son of one of the other founding members.  (I agree, all people regardless of their sin is invited to come to church. They need to be there.  The danger comes in when their sinful lifestyle starts to become accepted as normal and looked at with a worldview instead of from God&#039;s perspective.)  I asked each of the youth in the church, &quot;why are you a Christian?&quot;  not a single kid could tell me.  I asked them, &quot;what does it take to go to heaven?&quot;  not a single kid could tell me.  I brought this up in the adult Sunday School class and that we needed to keep our kids in our prayers.  We needed to make sure they are equipped (especially those kids heading off to college).   There is so much that no one knows about to this story.  It has been mentioned before to concerned parties and nothing was ever done.  My frustration comes out when I see kids doing and saying things that are not Christian.  Sure if is normal for a little kid to do that.  But it is not normal for a church to have no elders and to turn a blind eye to sin that is taking over inside the church.  Prior to me reading Scripture during prayer time, I went up to the pastor before church even started and told him I felt compelled to read Scripture, I told him which one I was going to read.  And he said, &quot;go for it brother.&quot;  He gave me his full blessing.  Then when he started getting complaints about it, he mentioned nothing to anyone about how he approved it.  He just left me hanging there.  I wanted nothing to do with a church that did not hold a high regard to Scripture and did not practice Church Discipline.  So, no, I was not kicked out, I left on my own.

is telling this about her and also there was nothing wrong with the pics. that where on there. 

When I first saw the pics, I saw nothing wrong with them. Initially, they were just your typical little girl pics.  But when I read the post that she did, and then looked at the pictures, it bothered me.  Yes, they are still innocent pictures but when a dirty man out in cyber world sees them and puts that along with the message she posted, it is an invitation for trouble.  When you read my blog, you will see that I did not accuse the parents, my concern was for some strange guy to show up at their door.  My concern was that some stranger would take the opportunity to contact her.  I do not know the parents at all.  I only know Paige from church and more directly from her friend at church.  I was only looking out for her safety as any parent would do for a child.  

Unless you think christmas pic and pics of her with her friends are bad!!! I dont know where he gets this from!!!! 

I hope I made my point about the pics above in the previous part.

But if this is how he wants to spend his free time talking about this when he is not thinking like a 10 year old then I think he is one of those guys from the church that all parents should keep an eye on!!!!!!!

I made an honest attempt to try to keep something bad from happening to this little girl.

As far as him contacting her parent I sent him an email and he didnt respond and I posted 2 bloggs on his site but again he is to scared to post those he wont let everyone else see those because he know he is wrong. 

The email was very rude and calling me a liar when that is not the case is not helpful.

ANd to use her name was just horrible!!!!!! He didnt need to post it. 

I used a first name of a little girl.  No last name was used.  No pastor name or church name was used either.  No friend name was used.

Also if he call the cops so be it we have nothing to hide. She is not the only 10 year old who is on here. Also she is never home alone so we know what she does. So he just needs to back off and let her and her friend be 10 year olds. 

Ten year olds should be ten year olds.  They should not be posting things that can get them in some serious, dangerous trouble.  I am not saying it is your fault.  I am just saying that kids don&#039;t know the repercussions of what they do sometimes.  If my son, when he was ten had posted something like this, I would have wanted someone to tell me about it.  For a little girl, it was extremely dangerous and I did not know your last names.  So I contacted the pastor, because I knew he knew Paige. I contacted the mom of her best friend.  I attempted to contact Paige to tell her to remove it for her own safety.  Every thing I did was out of true and deep concern for her safety.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have done it differently, but like I said before, my emotions and my fear of something happening to her took over.  I hope everyone can understand that.

Sorry but 10 year olds dont think that way. 

Back when I was a kid, you are right, I don&#039;t think many kids did think that way.  Unfortunately, with the influence of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and TV in general, they have  a lot more knowledge about this sort of thing, than I ever did when I was their age.

ONLY STUPID ADULTS WITH BRIAN BEING ONE OF THEM! HE HAS ONLY DELT WITH HER DURRING VBS SO HE HAS NO ROOM TO JUDGE ANYONE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!11

The above comment is the type that I did not post on my comments.  I understand your anger, but I also hope you can understand the safety issue your child was in.  It only takes a moment for something bad to happen to a little child while walking home from school.  I did not want that to happen.  I still pray for her that she will grow up in a safe and loving environment (not saying that she isn&#039;t now), but that she always has the love of God surrounding her.  I hope and pray that she will make good decisions in her lifetime and that when she does mess up, like we all do, that God will protect her so that no harm will come to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to respond to what Lisa says&#8230;&#8217;<br />
Comment from lisa<br />
Time: January 31, 2008, 5:54 pm</p>
<p>you guys are a bunch of sad peopleâ€¦. just to let you know that i am the girls mother. I check her myspace every day or so. And yes what she posted was inappropriate for her to do but it was sent to her by a friend!!!! So she just reposted it. not understanding the meaning that some perverted adults would take it. There is nothing mentioned about sex itâ€™s just how brian read it! </p>
<p>I admit, it is how I read it.  I think if you asked 100 people, there are over 90 of them would agree with me that this could have been a very dangerous situation for a little girl. </p>
<p>Also if Brian had a problem having a myspace to talk to friend and family then why did he contact her on her birthday last year on her myspace. So there is something totally wrong with that. </p>
<p>Wishing someone happy birthday from church is not wrong. regardless of age.</p>
<p>Just to let you know he is lying to you people he never talked to me about adding her like he claims. He also talks about one of her friends! </p>
<p>I am not lying to anyone.  The person I was talking about was not LIsa but a mother of her daughters best friend.  It is her daughters best friend who enjoys evangelizing and we made sure she had some tracts so she could go out and do it.</p>
<p>And to let you all know that paige knows about all thisâ€¦she is totally upset with all this that a man that she trusted from her church </p>
<p>yes, she trusted me and it is because of a mutual caring for her, that I did not want to see any chance at all that something bad could come from a post that could be construed as dangerous and inviting.</p>
<p>(until he got kicked out) </p>
<p>I left the church for a couple of reasons.  This church has no elders. I was the prayer and praise leader.  People got offended when I read Scripture from the pulpit.  I read Scripture and told people we need to be obedient to God&#8217;s Word.  Many in the church were very supportive and agreed with me.  Unfortunately, the founding members of the church did not want Scripture read.  They liked it the old way.  don&#8217;t mention anything about sin and the need to repent.  One of the founding members made a comment in Sunday School where she said, &#8220;I am glad that God forgives me every time I flip someone off.&#8221;  We were all shocked when we heard that.  The pastor was told about it and nothing was said or done about it.  The homosexual boy is a son of one of the other founding members.  (I agree, all people regardless of their sin is invited to come to church. They need to be there.  The danger comes in when their sinful lifestyle starts to become accepted as normal and looked at with a worldview instead of from God&#8217;s perspective.)  I asked each of the youth in the church, &#8220;why are you a Christian?&#8221;  not a single kid could tell me.  I asked them, &#8220;what does it take to go to heaven?&#8221;  not a single kid could tell me.  I brought this up in the adult Sunday School class and that we needed to keep our kids in our prayers.  We needed to make sure they are equipped (especially those kids heading off to college).   There is so much that no one knows about to this story.  It has been mentioned before to concerned parties and nothing was ever done.  My frustration comes out when I see kids doing and saying things that are not Christian.  Sure if is normal for a little kid to do that.  But it is not normal for a church to have no elders and to turn a blind eye to sin that is taking over inside the church.  Prior to me reading Scripture during prayer time, I went up to the pastor before church even started and told him I felt compelled to read Scripture, I told him which one I was going to read.  And he said, &#8220;go for it brother.&#8221;  He gave me his full blessing.  Then when he started getting complaints about it, he mentioned nothing to anyone about how he approved it.  He just left me hanging there.  I wanted nothing to do with a church that did not hold a high regard to Scripture and did not practice Church Discipline.  So, no, I was not kicked out, I left on my own.</p>
<p>is telling this about her and also there was nothing wrong with the pics. that where on there. </p>
<p>When I first saw the pics, I saw nothing wrong with them. Initially, they were just your typical little girl pics.  But when I read the post that she did, and then looked at the pictures, it bothered me.  Yes, they are still innocent pictures but when a dirty man out in cyber world sees them and puts that along with the message she posted, it is an invitation for trouble.  When you read my blog, you will see that I did not accuse the parents, my concern was for some strange guy to show up at their door.  My concern was that some stranger would take the opportunity to contact her.  I do not know the parents at all.  I only know Paige from church and more directly from her friend at church.  I was only looking out for her safety as any parent would do for a child.  </p>
<p>Unless you think christmas pic and pics of her with her friends are bad!!! I dont know where he gets this from!!!! </p>
<p>I hope I made my point about the pics above in the previous part.</p>
<p>But if this is how he wants to spend his free time talking about this when he is not thinking like a 10 year old then I think he is one of those guys from the church that all parents should keep an eye on!!!!!!!</p>
<p>I made an honest attempt to try to keep something bad from happening to this little girl.</p>
<p>As far as him contacting her parent I sent him an email and he didnt respond and I posted 2 bloggs on his site but again he is to scared to post those he wont let everyone else see those because he know he is wrong. </p>
<p>The email was very rude and calling me a liar when that is not the case is not helpful.</p>
<p>ANd to use her name was just horrible!!!!!! He didnt need to post it. </p>
<p>I used a first name of a little girl.  No last name was used.  No pastor name or church name was used either.  No friend name was used.</p>
<p>Also if he call the cops so be it we have nothing to hide. She is not the only 10 year old who is on here. Also she is never home alone so we know what she does. So he just needs to back off and let her and her friend be 10 year olds. </p>
<p>Ten year olds should be ten year olds.  They should not be posting things that can get them in some serious, dangerous trouble.  I am not saying it is your fault.  I am just saying that kids don&#8217;t know the repercussions of what they do sometimes.  If my son, when he was ten had posted something like this, I would have wanted someone to tell me about it.  For a little girl, it was extremely dangerous and I did not know your last names.  So I contacted the pastor, because I knew he knew Paige. I contacted the mom of her best friend.  I attempted to contact Paige to tell her to remove it for her own safety.  Every thing I did was out of true and deep concern for her safety.  If I had to do it all over again, I would have done it differently, but like I said before, my emotions and my fear of something happening to her took over.  I hope everyone can understand that.</p>
<p>Sorry but 10 year olds dont think that way. </p>
<p>Back when I was a kid, you are right, I don&#8217;t think many kids did think that way.  Unfortunately, with the influence of Britney Spears and Paris Hilton and TV in general, they have  a lot more knowledge about this sort of thing, than I ever did when I was their age.</p>
<p>ONLY STUPID ADULTS WITH BRIAN BEING ONE OF THEM! HE HAS ONLY DELT WITH HER DURRING VBS SO HE HAS NO ROOM TO JUDGE ANYONE AT ALL!!!!!!!!!11</p>
<p>The above comment is the type that I did not post on my comments.  I understand your anger, but I also hope you can understand the safety issue your child was in.  It only takes a moment for something bad to happen to a little child while walking home from school.  I did not want that to happen.  I still pray for her that she will grow up in a safe and loving environment (not saying that she isn&#8217;t now), but that she always has the love of God surrounding her.  I hope and pray that she will make good decisions in her lifetime and that when she does mess up, like we all do, that God will protect her so that no harm will come to her.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>amy,
It&#039;s not illegal, and basically anyone with an email address can sign up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>amy,<br />
It&#8217;s not illegal, and basically anyone with an email address can sign up.</p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question:
Is it or is it not illegal for 10 year olds to use myspace?</description>
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Is it or is it not illegal for 10 year olds to use myspace?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Martino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Martino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet. That puts me in good company. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet. That puts me in good company. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: amy</title>
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		<dc:creator>amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,
&lt;blockquote&gt;If plagarizing helps you to feel good about yourself, then do it. Grace and peace to you. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I see you also enjoy plagiarizing.  Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<blockquote><p>If plagarizing helps you to feel good about yourself, then do it. Grace and peace to you. </p></blockquote>
<p>I see you also enjoy plagiarizing.  Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Martino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Martino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 23:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,
For the record, we were trying to protect your daughter, which is why we called him out for exploiting her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,<br />
For the record, we were trying to protect your daughter, which is why we called him out for exploiting her.</p>
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