every article at CRN right now is written by the editor, except for three.

For people that are so concerned about fighting for the truth, they sure have a strange way of being truthful about who is writing these very controversial articles.  Just a thought.

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1   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

I agree. Paul, Peter, and Jude all began their epistles with their name, while John used his name in Revelation. Only four of the epistles did not have named authorship. Mike Ratliff uses his name on all his posts to his credit..

2   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 8:46 pm

Hebrews didn’t…probably because it was written by a woman. But I digress, excellent point Nathan.

3   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm

Joe, are you transgender?

4   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 8:54 pm

Rick,

Put the sugar down… slowly… go check your blood sugar…

iggy

5   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 8:56 pm

Rick,
What? Am I transgender? I don’t understand the question. Normally, if someone would ask me that we’d be throwing down but I’m assuming you didn’t mean it that way.

6   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 8:57 pm

It was meant to be a humorous anectdote to the “Hebrews was written by a woman” joke (I assume).

7   merry    
February 7th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

Well, perhaps Editor is a woman.

8   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm

Merry – do you mean the editor to the book of Hebrews?

BTW – It would have to be Editora.

9   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Joe,

I have heard of the idea that Aquila and Priscilla may have written Hebrews.

Tertulian thought it was Barnabas which seems that his “writing” was similar to Paul’s…

Others think it was a sermon by Paul that was transcribed by Luke…

So in there is the possibility that a woman had part in it.

And I did not get the transgender “joke” either…

but I might suggest xxxchurch if there is an issue! = )

iggy

10   Commenter    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:08 pm

I am thinking it might be the “relevant” thing to do if you want to blast people and not be held accountable.

Commenter

11   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Yeah, I’ve heard all of those suggestions and I’ve heard that it could have been a woman which is why no name was given. I’ve also heard Peter but that one kind of got squashed quick, I think.

12   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

It was Paul. And that issue is salvidic!

13   Commenter    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

I am going with God… it was the only book in the bible that God wrote Himself… it is all in the Vatican next to their huge porn collection.

But they are starting to link to xxxchurch… to get help.

14   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

has anyone check the spam filter? …

15   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 9:18 pm

The Barnabas one is a bit sticky to me as what was supposed to be written by Barnabas looked like a bunch of Pauline quotes strung together.

Apollos (which has strong ties to Aquila and Priscilla) is one that I also thought…

Now, Aquila and Priscilla seems to be the common connection to Paul and to Apollos…

But I agree with Commenter, it is most likely God.

iggy

16   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Ig…

Most likely God?

Me thinks you needs to Re Thinks. LOL

The Human author was probably Paul, due to similar style and exactly the same themes and statements as other letters of his, or, it was one of Paul’s disciples putting many of the things he/she learned from Paul in to a letter to the Hebrews.

Joe

17   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 9:37 pm

I completely reject Paul. He forgot to name himself that time? Come on. And why does he start writing to the Hebrews who would have known him as Saul?

18   merry    
February 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

“Merry – do you mean the editor to the book of Hebrews?

BTW – It would have to be Editora.”

The Editor I was referring to was the one at CRN.

But if Hebrews was written by a woman, that would be so completely awesome! :)

19   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 9:39 pm

A long time ago Ken Silva wrote a post about how he was the editor. So whenever I see “editor” I know it’s Ken Silva.

Where’s the mystery? At least for us, that is..

But I assume we’re talking about all the people who haven’t seen that declaration. He’s not foolin me though =)~

jOE

20   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Joe…

Good point, but consider…

How many letters did Paul write? Do you always list your name? Especially to people who probably know exactly who is sending the letter? Perhaps secrecy was required, he was in prison a lot. Perhaps he didn’t want it traced back to him. Or even better, perhaps over time, the name had been ‘translated out’ or lost. It’s not really pertinent to the message, so I see no reason for God to preserve it.

It’s something that’s been debated for years, I see no end in sight. But at least we do know the overall Author, eh?

Joe

21   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 9:44 pm

We know of no other letters where Paul forgot his name. Personally, I have no leaning. And yes, I said the woman thing to get a laugh out of Rick, but it has as much merit as any other argument I’ve heard.

22   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Maybe it was an Angel?

Think about it…at the beginning, the author seemed to write a lot about how Jesus is better than them, and hey, who would know that better than an Angel?

And think…according to Galatians 1:8, and other verses, Angels can speak the Gospel, or a false one for that matter, and since they are ‘messengers’ they certainly can deliver a message in written form from God.

Hey, I think that’s just as good evidence as anything else.

LOL

Joe

23   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 10:00 pm

2 Timothy 3:16-17 “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

Yep God wrote it… it was not made with men at all… it was totally inspired by God and He breathed it straight into a huge rock and then they copied it to some parchment. Then Gutenberg printed it and some people died…

It was all God.

iggy

24   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 10:13 pm

Just for the record, Hebrews is my favorite book in the New Testament. The imagery, the OT connections, the incarnation, and even the warnings are magnificent. Back to the subject of the thread, I believe we should all attach our name to our writings.

I have wondered as to the reason of anonymity at Crn and I could only arrive at two reasons. One is to limit comments on the author’s blog, the other is to hide how many come from Ken. Maybe there is another reason.

25   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
February 7th, 2008 at 10:14 pm

The imagery, the OT connections, the incarnation, and even the warnings are magnificent. Back to the subject of the thread, I believe we should all attach our name to our writings.

You are so totally emergent.

26   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

Iggy,

What game are you playin, huh foo?

Duh God wrote it. He seriously like, made a hand appear (like that time in Daniel) and it grabbed Paul’s hand, and forced it to write greek, and even forced Paul to write in personal nuances, shout-outs (cos God wants to say hey to Pricilla’s family too you know), and personal admonitions! I bet Paul didn’t even realize what was going on.

And then Dinosaurs came and beat the Romans.

Joe

27   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 10:21 pm

OK Tim, seeing how Joe forgave me for the transgender dig, I will forgive you as well. Did I mention I love the candlestick in Revelation as well?

28   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

I love the part where that dude stabbed that other super fat dude in the stomach, and he was so fat, the sword sunk in to his fat all the way and got stuck. Man, can God write em!

LOL

Does anyone think about that part? It’s gotta be one of the funniest things in the Bible, besides Jesus saying “I’m hungry, do you have any food?” after His Ressurection.

Joe

29   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 7th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

Yeah, there is def some wild details. Like one of David’s Mighty Men who killed a lion in a pit on a “snowy day”
as if it would have been easier on a sunny day

30   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
February 7th, 2008 at 10:58 pm

Yeah, there is def some wild details. Like one of David’s Mighty Men who killed a lion in a pit on a “snowy day”
as if it would have been easier on a sunny day

Maybe the snow hampers the lions movements.

31   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 10:59 pm

Actually, Paul/Saul was not a Greek/Jewish thing – Saul took on the surname of his first convert – Sergius Paulus – as it believed it was a credential in Asia Minor that would identify him both as a Roman citizen, and as a way to get audiences with rulers, to whom he could bear witness…

32   Henry (Rick) Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 11:01 pm

“Yeah, there is def some wild details.”

Yea, like the subtle teaching on forgiveness when Jesus healed his mother-in-law and Peter never held a grudge!

33   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 11:36 pm

Joe,

Are you on smack?

It was unicorns not dinosaurs!

iggy

34   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2008 at 12:01 am

Oh right Iggy!!!

Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns. Ps 22:21

You see, one of David’s mighty men, said this prayer quoted above, which David himself was kind enough to tell him, and then later record in the Bible (KJV only, newbs). God then helped him defeat the Lion on the snowy day, which is particularly difficult because of frostbite, and you know, it’s the desert and they’re not used to that over there. Then, later on the Romans came, and what happened to them was pretty simple. The Jews (in rebellion to their evil imperial masters) gathered up all of their unicorn horns (from their plentious unicorn herds) and used them as a Shofar (of sorts) to call up towards heaven to God. They begged God to help them smite the Romans. And God heard them “from the horns of the unicorns” and sent the preterist Jesus to defeat them in 70AD.

And that’s how the west was won, kids.

=)

Joe

35   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
February 8th, 2008 at 12:10 am

Chris L,
I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. I’ve read some of the sources that argue the position you present and I do not agree with them. I believe the sources that talk about it in a Hebrew/Greek issue to be more consistent. No, I can’t cite them tonight as I am trying to write a paper for a class but I had to express my POV. :)

36   merry    
February 8th, 2008 at 12:31 am

“Back to the subject of the thread, I believe we should all attach our name to our writings.”

Not a big fan of pseudonyms then? I use them all the time, and so do a lot of writers. Not always for the purpose of insulting others, but for privacy. Sometimes security. People who wish to remain anonymous to make controversial statements are cowards. People who remain anonymous for their own reasons are probably smart.

37   Brendt    http://csaproductions.com/blog/
February 8th, 2008 at 7:08 am

I love the part where that dude stabbed that other super fat dude….

Driscoll referenced that one in his sermon on humor. The part of that message that made my ears perk up was when he was noting that most of the disciples were blue-collar guys and there were probably fingers pulled and such. I thought, “He must be reading my blog.” ;-)

38   Scotty    http://scottysplace-scotty.blogspot.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 9:42 am

Where’s McStinky when ya need him!!

39   Murphy McStinker    http://itodyaso.wordpress.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 10:12 am

God wrote it!!!!

It is the eternal inspired word of GOD not man! Stupid imbeciles!

Man had anything to do with it. The writers of the Bible were like pens in the hand of God and had NOTHING as far as input. (If you did not all go to those liberal bible colleges you would have known this!) Otherwise they could claim it was their works that save us and not God. God alone saves us and we can DO NOTHING TO ADD TO IT!

If you guys were not dead in your sins you could repent like me!

When Paul stated things like “this is from me and not God” it was God being sarcastic.

So, stop arguing and realize how much smarter I is than you as God gifted me to teach/pastor/condemn all of you idiots that deny the Sovereign God in how you destroy His eternal plan and mess it up by your unrighteous acts of man loving theology while dresses as Rob Bell with a goatee and shaved heads like Assyrian male hookers! REPENT!

Now go and get real jobs to stimulate Bush’s economy. God bless America for only real Christians live here. And God bless your collective mommas for not aborting you when they had the chance so later God could toss you into the Hell you all deny!

Nothing shall separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord,
Murphy McStinky

40   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2008 at 10:46 am

Murphy,

If God is so Sovereign, why did He have to listen to David through the horns of unicorns in order to deliver him from the Lions mouth????? (Ps. 22:21 KJV)

Yeah that’s what I thought.

Livin la vida Christo,

Joe

41   Paul C    http://www.themidnightcry.com
February 8th, 2008 at 10:46 am

Chris L said:

“Actually, Paul/Saul was not a Greek/Jewish thing – Saul took on the surname of his first convert – Sergius Paulus – as it believed it was a credential in Asia Minor that would identify him both as a Roman citizen, and as a way to get audiences with rulers, to whom he could bear witness…”

Out of curiosity, where did you get this from?

42   Scotty    http://scottysplace-scotty.blogspot.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 10:54 am

I feel SO much better now!!!

43   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 10:54 am

Joe,

AHHHHHH! A tongue speaker! Away you devil!

If you were really saved, then you could repent of your heresy, but since you are not, be ready to burn baby!

Loving God, whom I have not seen,
Murphy McStinker

44   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 10:55 am

Some guy took over my computer! I guess I should not have room mates!

iggy

45   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
February 8th, 2008 at 12:37 pm

“Actually, Paul/Saul was not a Greek/Jewish thing – Saul took on the surname of his first convert – Sergius Paulus – as it believed it was a credential in Asia Minor that would identify him both as a Roman citizen, and as a way to get audiences with rulers, to whom he could bear witness…”

Out of curiosity, where did you get this from?

1) My New Testament Survey class back in ‘87 referenced this as the source of Saul/Paul’s name change.

2) RVL and other Jewish-Christian scholars have identified this as a likely explanation for the change of name because:

a) In Acts 13:7, we are introduced to Paul’s first Gentile convert, Sergius Paulus (Paulos in Greek). In vs. 9, we are given the only account of Paul’s name change, in which he has the new name Paulos – exactly the same spelling as the Proconsul’s last name.

b) The next major city Paul goes to is Pisidian Antioch, which is out of the way of the remainder of his journey. Roman records and 20th century excavation of Pisidian Antioch show that the ruling family of this city was the Paulos family, from which Sergius came, and that this city is where the ‘elite’ Roman rulers were born, often the right-hand men of Caesar.

c) From a number of records, the last name Paulos was considered to be perstigous (like having the last name “Rockefeller” or “Kennedy” in 20th Century America).

d) In Cyprus, we have Paul purposely going to the proconsul, going through a sorcerer/false prophet to get to him. This is not the first, or last time, that Paul targets people in power to witness to.

e) Pisidian Antioch was also called “Little Rome”, laid out on seven hills (like Rome, itself), and held in highest regard by Caesar. If Paul wanted to work his way “up the chain” to an audience with Caesar and the other rulers in Rome, Pisidian Antioch was the next step, with Ephesus being the other key step on the way to Rome.

f) In Acts, we read:

Agrippa said to Festus, “This man could have been set free if he had not appealed to Caesar.”

The thing is – under Roman law – if you appealed to Caesar, you had the right to withdraw your appeal at any time up until your audience with Caesar. But Paul never did!

So – we have a guy taking on a prestigious name, working his way up the chains of power, trying to convert them all along the way (including Agrippa), and then trying to get an audience with Caesar, himself, at his own mortal peril, when he could have dropped the appeal at any later time.

46   Emergent Eddie    http://www.emergent-c.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2008 at 5:36 pm

I think it is important to deconstruct everything, including names.

47   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2008 at 11:27 pm

Yeah, normal discussions among friends, Christians, is so wrong.

48   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
February 8th, 2008 at 11:28 pm

Man…they can’t even spoof good…=/

Iggy’s was much better.

49   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
February 9th, 2008 at 10:19 am

Tim said: “Maybe the snow hampers the lions movements.” You are correct. I saw that on Animal Planet.

The story of Ehud is a good one. I still favor Elijah on Mt Carmel. “Maybe your god’s busy on the toilet!”

50   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
February 11th, 2008 at 3:56 pm

–Some guy took over my computer! I guess I should not have room mates!

iggy–

Especially when they keep occupying the same space :-)

51   jazzact13    http://jazzact13.blogspot.com/
February 11th, 2008 at 4:09 pm

–I think it is important to deconstruct everything, including names.–

Speaking of which, is anyone going to bring up the master of pseudonyms himself, and a posthumous friend of emergent I have heard (though being posthumous I doubt he had much say in that), Soren Kierkegaard?

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