Comments on: Communication Breakdown

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:38:09 +0000

I am not sure how fun fits within the sufferings of our Savior and the consequences of eternity in heaven and hell. When we seek to explain and expand the meaning of the cross and the atoning blood that was shed, I think we must be very careful how we interject fun.

I am all for fun and contests about many things, but I feel the atonement and its understandings should not be within that framework. I do not believe that western Christians are starved for fun in these days, but many are in need of a more serious and commited view of Christ and His Word.

Now, with that said, have you heard the one about the Rabbi and the stork? Never mind.

By: iggy

iggy — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:42:10 +0000

Rick,

In seriousness, I believe doctrinal revelations will be uncovered and strengthened by men of God who are commited to study, prayer, and the ministry of the Word. I am for humor but serious doctrinal journeys as well.

As long as it is not in the concept of a fun contest?

OK…

iggy

By: Tim Reed, Owosso MI

Tim Reed, Owosso MI — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:08:53 +0000

Paul C,
The verse from 2 Tim 3 you quoted earlier.

By: Paul C

Paul C — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:40:14 +0000

“It can be seen clearly in that youâ€™re advocating that weâ€™re somehow in a different era as defined in that verse.”

Tim, what particular verse?

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:39:16 +0000

“This is how see the atonement. We may come of with a lot of ways to describe it, but we wonâ€™t really see the full scope and beauty of it until Christ returns. ”

That is wonderful, Phil. But some theories see Christ’s sacrifice as something different than a greater revelation of the atonement. It is sometimes subtle but a divergence nonetheless. Your description was great.

By: Tim Reed, Owosso MI

Tim Reed, Owosso MI — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:34:09 +0000

Paul C,
Dispensationalism.

It can be seen clearly in that you’re advocating that we’re somehow in a different era as defined in that verse.

Contrast that with non-dispensational theologies that see that verse as an on-going condition of the world/church.

By: Phil Miller

Phil Miller — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:34:03 +0000

I think we have to remember that there all called “theories” for a reason. A theory isn’t saying with 100% certainty that it explains the way something is in reality. Theories are by definition an attempt to explain the way something works, but they are always open to being refined.

I think of it like an asymptope type relationship where the actual truth would be the axis that the curve which is the theory is running beside. The curve keeps on getting closer to the axis, but it will never quite touch it. This is how see the atonement. We may come of with a lot of ways to describe it, but we won’t really see the full scope and beauty of it until Christ returns.

By: Paul C

Paul C — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:20:03 +0000

Tim, dispensationalist or no, someone would have to be blind to not see some of the things I pointed out. In this case, I must plead ignorance as I have no idea what a dispensationlist even is.

By: Henry (Rick) Frueh

Henry (Rick) Frueh — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:18:45 +0000

Yes – no fun, no entertainment – only a long, protracted journey of misery and suffering. Only then can we find any truth.

In seriousness, I believe doctrinal revelations will be uncovered and strengthened by men of God who are commited to study, prayer, and the ministry of the Word. I am for humor but serious doctrinal journeys as well.

By: iggy

iggy — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:01:07 +0000

Rick,

So by stating you reject the contest “concept” then are you saying that we should not have fun discussion theology?

iggy