I found this video via a friend. If you go to the comments section you can see that I weighed in with a question of my own. What cracks me up is the person who is deriding the chaplain because she is a woman. Somehow this video is supposed to illustrate what is wrong with the people that the blog owner disagrees with. None the less, the man or woman’s question of what would you say to this person is a good one. Even if some of the commenters seem to miss the fact that it is a T.V show and not real.
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Wow, pretty easy question. Share the gospel with this poor dying man who seems to be under conviction. Perhaps this woman didn’t know the gospel as she told the man to forgive himself. She offered no hope whatsoever to a man who was screaming for hope.
With this man there was no oportunity to open doors, or bring food, or any other acts of humanitarianism. This was an open door to the gospel message to a man slipping into hell. Sadly, this pictures the plight of the doctrinal malaise of the church of Jesus Christ who do not even have a message of gospel hope to a seeking, dying sinner.
Very sad.
Rick,
How do you know the man isn’t already a Christian and just struggling with guilt?
There have been plenty of times in my Christian life when I asked forgiveness but still struggled with guilt. So in those cases I did need to forgive myself.
Broad Brush alert:
Broad brush alert:
“How do you know the man isn’t already a Christian and just struggling with guilt? ”
Even when something, about which no one can know for sure, seems to point to a certain circumstance can you ever believe it is as others might suggest. What would you say about that situation if it were communicated to you that the man was unsaved and needed Christ? Would yopu make excuses for the chaplain?
She was heading toawrd witnessing.
She was earning the right to be heard.
You don’t know if she had shared the gospel with him before.
Under any circumstance would you suggest the woman did not use her opportunity that God had given to her? I Know, if she had given him a turn or burn presentation, that would generate a criticism. I will never understand your reluctance to give an honest criticism when it is obviously needed just because you may find yourself on the side of those you do not like.
Well, if we’re just going to make assumptions in order to bash people not on our team, we could make the observation that based on the age of the dying guy, an ODM-approved church failed to give this guy the gospel when he was growing up. In fact, they probably drove him away from the gospel.
Oh, somebody also needs to notify Steve Camp on the Campy-Phone, they’re contextualizing the gospel! In fact, even Way of the Master Radio brought it up! Its time to ex communicate the heretics!
One thing we need not assume, that woman did not give that man the gospel in that particular meeting and even he knew her words were useless to him in his predicament.
Rick,
We can also assume she was an actor unaffiliated with any branch of the church, which makes this particular scene little more than a Rorschach test.
Rick,
That’s my point exactly…We don’t know the situation the man was in.
Your statements about my reluctance to give an honest criticism are quite frankly irrelevant to this topic.
The ODM’s cherry picked a scene from a secular T.V. show to drive home their point about the Emergent church. Which this show never gives any indication of.
I could quite easily argue the other side and say the man screaming about her not knowing the gospel and chasing her out of the room is exactly how the ODM’s have dialogue. If you disagree they shout you down and write you off. Watch the clip again. Particularly the part where she says “That’s not what I’m saying” eerily remniscent of some conversations I’ve had with the “other side”.
And on a completely different topic…I’m still waiting on this expose about Brian McLaren.
That’s the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this video, it has nothing to do with Church. It was created by people who probably have no affiliation with church and was created for a dramatic effect for a T.V show that IMO has jumped the shark years ago. It might be an effective video to use in a chaplain training class but I feel to see how we can use it to bash anyone in any church. To me that is what is most sad about this post, it seemed to me to be an opportunity to bash the Bride and do it with glee.
He everyone,
I appreciate the link. Thanks. Obviously, the scenarios could be countless in a situation like this. One of the things that I’ve learned through witnessing is never to assume that the person you are talking with is saved… even if they claim to be a Christian. I’ve discovered that many who claim to be Christians aren’t really trusting in Jesus Christ for their salvation.
If they are saved, the reassurance of the gospel message will be a sweet fragrance and we rejoice as brothers and sisters in Christ.
Joe,
I don’t believe this to be bashing by any means. I think that it serves as a challenge to all Christians to know how to give an answer for the hope that is within us and to know how to properly deliver the Gospel message of Jesus Christ when an opportunity presents itself.
I would also be careful to call a movement, such as the EC (that embraces New Age theology and a Eucharistic Jesus)… the “bride of Christ”.
By the way… what’s an ODM?
The only objection I have to her ministry is that it is all accepting of all religions. She is also a fornicator and an adulterer in this role.
Is that emergent? After all, Brian McLaren said we could find Jesus and stay in our Hindu or Buddhist traditions…She would likely agree with that.
8thperson,
You responded to my statement on your blog with the following.
Then you came here and said this:
Do you have any sources to back up those claims?
Do you believe everything you find on the internet? Where exactly did Brian McLaren say that?
Hypothetically speaking…I would have told this guy about how Jesus died for His sins, and to set him free from sin and guilt of his past, and that anyone who comes to Him has eternal life, and He will certainly not cast him off.
As for that woman, I think since it’s a TV show, the situation was developed in a certain way to be dramatic. It’s safe to say, from where they were trying to go with the scene, that she had done exactly what the man screamed at her about. Forget that she’s a woman, forget that she’s a ‘chaplain’ of whatever sorts. What she didn’t do was, when he blatently asked how to be forgiven by God, is tell him about Jesus Christ. The scene was deliberately set up that way, but if she was a Christian, she certainly didn’t answer any of his questions, in the confines of that scene.
The guy obviously knew about God, that there was forgiveness needed, and forgiveness to be had. If he was a Christian, I find it odd that the chaplain would not encourage him with the Gospel, and remind him of forgiveness and life that comes from Jesus. If he wasn’t a Christian, and was going to die soon, it certainly wouldn’t have hurt to tell the guy about Christ and reconcilliation with God. Unfortunately, I think if we watch the video over and over again, the writers set it up in a way where the man was looking for traditional Christian answers, and was getting nothing but “whatever you decide is good” type of answers. Despite that’s ‘not what she was saying’ as she put it. But people lie to keep others from getting more pissed at them, you know.
Just my 2 cents.
Joe
For my two cents, I come from another direction.
What I saw was the producers and or directors, as usual, showing (not sure what faith this lady was) a religious person as a dolt. It’s the usual M.O. Not able to help themselves let alone help another. Or usually bafoons…