Maybe I’m just getting too cranky… but yesterday I was keeping abreast of the violence and persecution being wrought against our brothers and sisters in Orissa, India – Updates here and here.

Then I trolled around the Rapture Ready Bulletin Board a bit to see what new apostasies are out there and I found this post from a person who’s concerned the lights may be dimmed in their worship service.  I was particularly struck by the praise that “The lights haven’t changed, thank goodness. Thanks for your prayers.”

I know the two are unrelated, but I was struck by the juxtaposition of the life and death struggle in India, and what some are concerned with here.


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1   Brendt
March 4th, 2008 at 7:25 am

I went to a hyper-hyper fundie elementary school and a hyper fundie jr/sr high, and I’ve never seen a more ridiculous tying of meaningless externals to something of value.

I’m glad God is infinite. I’d hate it if He lost time on real issues to hear this “prayer”.

So when there are brownouts in the summer in California, is that the fault of the seeker-sensitive church?

2   nc    
March 4th, 2008 at 9:59 am


Sad, but typical.

3   Phil Miller
March 4th, 2008 at 10:18 am

Hmmm, I must be a heathen. I always like having a worship service with the lights down more than super bright.

I just can’t imagine praying for someone not to dim the lights.

4   Christian P
March 4th, 2008 at 11:03 am

That’s just sick. I mean it. It is spiritually sick. Thank you Neil for this article.

As sad as that is, isn’t that prevelant in a lot of our churches? We are concerned about some of the dumbest things that have no eternal value (or any other value for that matter) while our brothers and sisters in other places are requesting prayer that persecuted ones won’t give up Christ.

5   Kevin I    
March 4th, 2008 at 11:38 am

What’s interesting is you don’t even need to contrast it against something as drastic as what is happening with Orissa, you could contrast this light-dimming point against really mundane things and it would still be outlandish that not only would this be a sticking point but that they would ask for prayer about it.

6   chris
March 4th, 2008 at 11:47 am

The real irony of that post from “Praise Warrior” is that their tag line is “It’s all about you Jesus”

And the book they recommend is published by…wait for it…LIGHTHOUSE TRAILS publishers.

7   Neil    
March 4th, 2008 at 11:55 am


That’s why I found it relevant enough to post about… although the Rapture Ready Bulletin Board is not an ODM site – it shows how their stuff can be lapped up and reposted.

I don’t want to offer this as a post against “Praise Warrior” – that’s not the point. The point is that the folks running that site take the offerings of ODM and inflame the situations.


8   Neil    
March 4th, 2008 at 5:53 pm


You are correct, but since I just returned from India that was on my mind and I just posted the two things I actually saw in juxtaposition…


9   Umesh    
March 5th, 2008 at 6:25 am

The People in Orissa who are fighting a war (in your opinion )are actually, playing to the Propaganda of the Maoists of that region.

Maoists are elements in that area who are funded by the same forces which initially started the Al-Qaeda i.e. ISI(Inter service intelligence , Pakistan).

So, wake up. Learn who are your supporters. Orissa is a very peaceful, place. But, propaganda is destroying christinaity.

You guys created Al-Qaeda which made September 9/11. Now, you’re creating another similar org.

10   merry    
March 5th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

What in the world is that site? Hilarious. Just the juxtaposition of the end times discussion and the complaint of the lights in church is funny.

11   Neil    
March 5th, 2008 at 9:43 pm


Thanks for the input. Who mentioned anything about a war, I referenced believers who have had their churches burned, their houses destroyed, and have been chanced from their villages by Hindu militants. I guess you and I have differing standards of peaceful.


12   Neil    
March 5th, 2008 at 9:47 pm

What in the world is that site? Hilarious. Just the juxtaposition of the end times discussion and the complaint of the lights in church is funny.

If you think the bit about the dimming of lights is funny (or sad) just keep reading. I posted over there for a while until they kicked me off for promoting false teachers (Rob Bell – first offense) and promoting unbiblical doctrines (support for a Palestinian State – second offense).

Regarding Bell, I was not really defending him… they asked a question about “his” Gospel and when I answered – wham!  I guess I should have seen the trap.  Regarding the Palestinians – Yes, holding to a two-state solution is unbiblical…