O NO3ZDid you know? The PD Church, the ECM, Oprah and the New Agers are in cahoots to create a one-world religion!!! O N03Z!

Seriously.

I heard it from Ingrid Schleuter and Brannon Howse on the interwebs, so it must be true! Right?

Ingrid recently did an interview of Brannon Howse’s radio show, where she tied together wacky power-of-positive-thinking, pop-psychology movies The Moses Code, new-agey The Shift, TM guru Eckhart Tolle, Oprah Winfrey, and other New Age ‘prophets’ with individual Christians, like Brian McLaren (who has a book called .. wait for it … “Everything Must Change”) and Rob Bell, and churches from Willow Creek to all of the “Emerging Church” (despite the fact that the ECM isn’t a monolithic entity) – which is part of the (cue the spooky music) “The Great Emergence”. “Contemplative Spirituality” is bringing demons into the Church! We MUST panic!

Neale Donald Walsch (”Conversations With God”) is one of the “high-level shills for The Antichrist”! Did you know that Walsch has a 5-point PEACE plan? Guess who else has a 5-point PEACE plan and a ’social gospel’? And Dennis Kucinich wants a cabinet-level “Department of Peace”. And guess who could institute it? Barak Obama, who many are hailing as a “new messiah”. You hear it first from Ingrid. We’d best all panic (or not panic, if you believe in a pre-trib rapture). And guess what – “you heard it first here”, says Ingrid – Oprah will be appointed to head the Department of PEACE.

With the Moses Code movie, people across the world are being asked to unite in a “global consciousness prayer” on April 5th for peace in the Middle East. These are New Age heathens, so what do they care about peace in the Middle East, unless it’s the beginning of a religious movement of such a scope as to send Tim LaHaye into fits of ecstasy. Peace in the Middle East? Joel Rosenberg, in his book, Epicenter has predicted that this will bring about Armageddon!

“This is no joke”, Ingrid jokes (without knowing it), explaining how you can go to a website where people teach about bending spoons with their mind. This is all the emergence of diaprax – the retraining of our children via their youth pastors, to do Christian yoga (”there’s nothing Christian about it”, says Howse), use contemplative prayer, walk labyrinths, and all of these emerging occultic practices. This will become the one-world religion of the last days, and Igrid and Brannon have cracked the code! Such great research!

Rob Bell wrote Velvet Elvis, in which he footnotes a book by Ken Wilbur! He must endorse EVERTHING Ken Wilbur believes! Heretic! This will lead to shambala, contemplative prayer, yoga, cats sleeping with dogs, mass hysteria! According to Ingrid, Bell, McLaren, Dan Kimball (Mr. Labyrinth) and the ECM are going to be the “cheerleaders” for the anti-christ. Bell even quotes Nelson Mandela (a communist!) – Marianne Williamson, in reality (a new ager) – (who cares that the quote is taken completely out of context and Bell is slandered in the process). In quoting Williamson, who is promoted by Oprah, Bell is supporting her channelling of demons, and ultimately bringing the antichrist here!

O NO3Z!

What utter hysterical foolishness tied together with lies and innuendo.

When viewing these things, the question becomes – is the right response to panic or to see that there is an opportunity to spread the Gospel in a world where people are seeing the need for a change in the way they live and operate? In the world of the chicken-little ODM’s, the response is apparently to bunker in and prepare for battle. Third-world microfinance, relief for those afflicted with AIDS, and any other causes/methods taken up by the ’secular’ world become immediately taboo, in a web of guilt-by-association.

Perhaps a separate way to look at these events is in the same lens viewed by 12 young men set loose by their Rabbi almost 2000 years ago. They went out into a Greek/Roman world in which many gods claimed virgin births and resurrections. These gods provided free medical care, food, water, clothing and community for people in that world through their temples. These young men, along with the Apostle Paul responded to the world, not through denunciation, fear-mongering and hysteria – but rather by preaching the truth of Christ, living in the Way of Christ, and allowing the Holy Spirit to convict the world of the truth.

Could the world end today? Sure. Could it end tomorrow? Yup. What might Jesus say in response to this?

“Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! Who of you by worrying can add a single hour to his life? Since you cannot do this very little thing, why do you worry about the rest?

“Consider how the lilies grow. They do not labor or spin. Yet I tell you, not even Solomon in all his splendor was dressed like one of these. If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today, and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith! And do not set your heart on what you will eat or drink; do not worry about it. For the pagan world runs after all such things, and your Father knows that you need them. But seek his kingdom, and these things will be given to you as well.

“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom. Sell your possessions and give to the poor. Provide purses for yourselves that will not wear out, a treasure in heaven that will not be exhausted, where no thief comes near and no moth destroys. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.

“Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning, like men waiting for their master to return from a wedding banquet, so that when he comes and knocks they can immediately open the door for him. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them watching when he comes. I tell you the truth, he will dress himself to serve, will have them recline at the table and will come and wait on them. It will be good for those servants whose master finds them ready, even if he comes in the second or third watch of the night. But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into. You also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.”

Playing “let’s panic”, pin-the-tail-on-the-antichrist, slandering Christians, and trying to read the newspaper in one hand with the Bible in the other is simply a recipe for failure in the mission of the kingdom.

 
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1   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 4th, 2008 at 11:45 am

It’s so confusing. So is the anti-Christ coming a good or a bad thing according to Ingrid?

Also, if everything is predestined, why bother being paniced? C’est la vie

People told the world was going to end so many times growing up, that I’ve lost count. Don’t these people ever learn?

2   Erica Martino    http://joemartino.name/erica
March 4th, 2008 at 12:41 pm

Very good thoughts Chris!
Does this mean according to Ingrid that Joe and I will be assisting the Anti Christ since we go to Rob Bells church?:-)

3   robbymac    http://www.robbymac.org
March 4th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

What a relief — as Ingrid et al. continue to clearly show that they’ve left all sense of reality and have become a sad, pathetic cartoon of themselves, they will implode into their increasingly-shrinking amen corner, and become an ecclesial black hole — so compressed and dense that even light can’t escape (or penetrate).

It would be an interesting observation for a grade six Science Fair exhibit, don’t you think? :)

4   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
March 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Phil,

“It’s so confusing. So is the anti-Christ coming a good or a bad thing according to Ingrid?”

This was one of my first questions as I left behind the “left behind” mentality…

The first time I heard that “Left Behind” had some really bad theology, I was a bit shocked…

But as I studied pretrib to “prove it by scripture” as it was supposed to be so plainly there… the less I found it and found more and more questions… yet, it seems that some are happy that the antiChrist will come as that will mean only so little more time for Jesus to return… to my horror I heard my wife stated that she hoped Jesus would not come soon as we have more work to do and people to share the Gospel with… she wanted more time! I came around to this slowly…

and now pray that myself… as I pray now, “give me more time, strength, coward, faith, power and whatever else I need to spread the Kingdom’s message”…

be blessed,
iggy

5   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 4th, 2008 at 4:04 pm

iggy,
what of agreeing with the Lord when He said he is coming quickly?

6   Evan Hurst    
March 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pm

yay. this must mean i’m one of the minions.

*giggle*

’cause I’m one of the 750,000 people who watched the online class with Oprah and Eckhart Tolle last night.

is there a minion dance i need to learn?

maybe a secret handshake?

7   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
March 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

what of agreeing with the Lord when He said he is coming quickly?

It seems that the destruction of Jerusalem may have come pretty quickly after that was written (or, that ‘quickly’ has a bit different meaning as defined by God…)

8   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 4th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

Chris,
I’m not familiar with Revelation 22 being linked with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.
What am I missing?

9   Flo Banks    
March 4th, 2008 at 7:04 pm

I still can’t believe what I ran into while searching Google. If you’re wondering, type in “Pretrib Rapture Desperados,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” and “Pretrib Rapture Diehards.” They will turn you inside out! Flo (”Famous Rapture Watchers” is good also.)

10   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
March 4th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

Preterism….blegh.

Rapture…blegh.

What do I do!?

I’m an eschatalogical abyss…

Joe

11   Christian P    http://www.churchvoices.com
March 4th, 2008 at 10:41 pm

Shoot ‘em all and let God sort them out.

12   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
March 4th, 2008 at 11:10 pm

Nathanael,

Jesus stated that almost 2000 years ago. we are much sooner now, but still… for us 2000 years is not quickly in the same sense as we understand it… can you imagine how many Brady Bunch episodes that would be?

iggy

13   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 5th, 2008 at 9:11 am

Clearly, iggy, we are much sooner now and “quickly” is not the same sense of time as we understand it.
But that does not negate the truth that John said, “Amen,” to the Lord’s proclamation that He would be coming soon. And I “Amen” that as well.
The prayer for His delay confuses me, that’s all.

Shalom

14   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
March 5th, 2008 at 9:55 am

The prayer for His delay confuses me, that’s all.

I suspect this is the spirit of the prayer:

The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

I’m not familiar with Revelation 22 being linked with the destruction of the temple in 70 AD.

If you accept the possibility of a near/far fulfillment of prophecy (partial-preterist) or a preterist filfillment, then not only will Jesus return at the final judgement, but he also returned in the destruction of the Temple in 70 A.D. (which also coincides with 100,000 Jewish Christians crossing the Jordan to Pella and disappearing from history, with the church becoming a primarily Gentile entity from that point on…)

I’m not saying this is my position, but that it is A position on eschatology which would have scriptural support.

15   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 5th, 2008 at 10:02 am

I think there’s always a tension that the Christian lives in concerning expecting Jesus’ return, and hoping for more opportunities to expand the Kingdom on earth. It’s much like Paul expressed in Philipians:

Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, for I know that through your prayers and the help given by the Spirit of Jesus Christ, what has happened to me will turn out for my deliverance. I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain. If I am to go on living in the body, this will mean fruitful labor for me. Yet what shall I choose? I do not know! I am torn between the two: I desire to depart and be with Christ, which is better by far; but it is more necessary for you that I remain in the body. Convinced of this, I know that I will remain, and I will continue with all of you for your progress and joy in the faith, so that through my being with you again your joy in Christ Jesus will overflow on account of me.

16   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 5th, 2008 at 10:23 am

I must say I’ve always avoided eschatological debates in the past.
Jesus said, “I’m coming back. Watch and pray.”
That’s my oversimplified stance.
Yet I do find some of the debates intriguing.

I’ve read some of the “Left Behind” series, and besides the literary lack, I found the theology strangely unbiblical.

“A Case for Amillennialism” is on my to-read list (behind several others). I’m definitely more of the mindset that Jesus ushered in the Kingdom, and that it is now and future.

17   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 5th, 2008 at 10:27 am

Nathanael,
That’s a very good and straight-forward book on the subject. I actually wrote a review of it a few months ago.

Another good book is N.T. Wright’s new book, Surprised by Hope.

18   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 5th, 2008 at 10:30 am

I just bought “Surprised by Hope.”
It’s on my to-read list just in front of “Case for Amillennialism”

;)

19   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
March 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am

and I remember your review

20   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 5th, 2008 at 10:31 am

Ah, what can I say? Great minds think alike, and all that…

21   Mike Morrell    http://zoecarnate.wordpress.com
March 6th, 2008 at 11:43 pm

A great site for sane eschatology: http://presence.tv
Though Ingrid would probably *hate* it. More here: http://zoecarnate.com/#Eschatology

22   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
March 7th, 2008 at 12:05 am

Nathanael,

For some reason i see that there is more of a connection with Rev 22:20 and John 3:6-8

If you start to understand that Jesus is already here… but will also physically come soon… then to me there is only the transition between being clothed in the perishable now and exchanging that for the imperishable…

I am not saying Jesus will not “return” but I see that too many look for His return and live for that and do not live for CHrist Jesus Himself.

To me, when Jesus comes, it is too late for those lost. It is then the judgement comes. So, for me I see that I look forward yet walk now… the Kingdom of God is just as much here now as it will be. (I know that will be misunderstood. But God has never stopped being King of His creation which is His Kingdom.)

I spent too much time in my faith praying for Jesus to come becuase I had a hard day at work… now I see that as selfish and shallow (for me as I do not judge others by my standard on this)..

Be blessed,
iggy

23   Evan Hurst    
March 7th, 2008 at 2:17 am

re: the original posting.

i just truly grasped the game-show possibilities for “pin-the-tail-on-the-antichrist.”

and nobody likes an antichrist with a tail. that much i know for sure.

Oprah heading a Department of Peace wouldn’t be such a bad idea, but I doubt she’d do it. She’s much more effective energizing people to give of themselves and try to change the world, i mean COMMIT UNSPEAKABLE ACTS OF EVVVVVVIL, from her current platform.

:)

24   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 7th, 2008 at 10:02 am

Here’s some more fodder for the Rapture Ready folks…

25   Jeff, Sterling Heights MI    
March 7th, 2008 at 10:43 am

Can someone please tell me the “tie” between Ron Bell and the New Age Guru Marianne Williamson? I read the article from Silva but what is the tie?

BTW, Brannon’s discussion of Evolution only shows his ignorance of science.

26   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 7th, 2008 at 11:00 am

Jeff,
Well, Bell used a quote that is widely attributed to Nelson Mandela, and I think that’s who Bell attributed it to. Some have claimed that Marianne Williamson originally said it.

My question would be, that regardless of who said it, it still can be true. Even Satan can quote Scripture. That doesn’t make it any less true.

Can’t lost people stumble upon truths. Heck, the Bible even says people unintentionally prophesy. This whole thing is just another way for people to distract themselves from the real issues.

27   Jeff, Sterling Heights MI    
March 7th, 2008 at 11:41 am

Wow, as I listen to this I can’t believe I used to subscribe to this ideology. PEACE in the middle east????? How dare we want that. Anyone who wants that certainly is in lock and step with the Antichrist.

28   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
March 7th, 2008 at 11:44 am

Aye – makes you wonder if the tinfoil hat messed up Ingrid’s hair during the interview…

29   Jeff, Sterling Heights MI    
March 7th, 2008 at 12:07 pm

Sorry, I continue to listen to this…OK let’s lay this out Barak is endorsed by Oprah(who will sit on the Board of P.E.A.C.E (Warren’s or Walsh’s?)) who endorses ND Walsh and Marianne Williamson who Rob Bell and Brian McLaren endorse(oh yeah, Kuchinich also endorsed Obama when he dropped out). So basically a vote for Obama is a vote for the Anti Christ. Forget the fact that some of us can think for ourselves and see that the vote for “God” in GWB has brought us an unjust war with Iraq, a National debt that is beyond sustainabilty, divided the political process in washington far beyond its intent, yet he is “Gods” candidate. So we need to vote for who? McCain? who says 100 more years in Iraq is fine. Or maybe some of us don’t live in fear of the boogy man lerking around every corner and evaluate these candidates for what they really bring to the table.

30   Evan Hurst    
March 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pm

we also must pay attention to the fact that Bush is actively, behind the scenes, angling for a war with Iran before the end of his administration.

i know personally. my brother’s Navy boat is essentially being used as bait.

now we find out Bush is considering firing Admiral Fallon, the CentCom chief, who Robert Gates has lauded as “one of the best strategic thinkers in uniform today.”

he opposed the “surge,” (which is NOT working. it’s nothing more than a band-aid, and the only reason the Sunnis have stopped fighting us is that we’re throwing wads of money at them), and he’s privately said that war with Iran “will not happen on my watch.”

oh, Bushie doesn’t like people who aren’t complete sycophants. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/03/06/the-danger-of-ethics-and-competency-bush-considering-firing-centcom-chief-adm-fallon/

McCain’s essentially assured the American people that he will continue Bush’s war policies, as well as his disastrous economic policies.

i can’t imagine anyone with a conscience voting for the man.

31   Jeff, Sterling Heights MI    
March 7th, 2008 at 2:19 pm

This administration is riff with the attitude that none dare decent. Countless officials have been fired for not agreeing with certain insane policies. I am shocked to find that many of my christian brethren still think Bush is a good president. I think they used Jesus’s words about if they hate you then they actually hate Jesus to justify the low poll numbers for Bush. NO, he is just a warmongering puppet for the NeoCons in Washington.

32   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Jeff and Evan,
You’ve replaced one set of conspiracy theories with another. Generally, the problem with these types of theories is that you give way too much credit to the people who are supposedly involved.

I’ve said a number of times that the people on the left react to GWB the way people like Ingrid react to Rick Warren. I guess everyone needs a foil.

I’ve never understood how Dubya could simultaneously be the dumbest person alive and the most devious. Of course, you’ll probably reply he’s a puppet of Cheney…

33   Evan Hurst    
March 7th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

what conspiracy theory, specifically, did i mention?

seriously. name it.

just because it isn’t recorded on Al-Jazeera, i mean Fox, doesn’t mean it’s a “conspiracy theory.”

and no, i don’t think George is dumb. i think George is simple, and there’s a difference. George, unfortunately, thinks in terms of good and evil, black and white. the real world is mostly gray.

and no, i don’t think George is a “puppet,” per se, but i know for a fact that he was the perfect person to put in office in order to accomplish the goals of a group with certain foreign-policy aims in mind.

i also think George is mostly ignorant to the world around him.

34   amy    
March 7th, 2008 at 5:32 pm

Rob Bell wrote Velvet Elvis, in which he footnotes a book by Ken Wilbur!

And what did that footnote say?

35   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
March 7th, 2008 at 5:39 pm

And what did that footnote say?

It said the Ken Wilbur is a Buddhist and we should all be Buddhists and that Bell is just wasting his time talking to us about Jesus and the Bible and that Bell’s secret plan is to turn us all into Buddhists and you people who were smart enough to look at the notes at the end of the book foiled Bell’s secret plan that he has been working on with Rick Warren for the last ten years. you dang kids!!!

Come on… How many times can you go around the same freaking circle???

36   amy    
March 7th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

Phil,
Don’t you think it’s important to properly represent what is said?

37   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
March 7th, 2008 at 6:10 pm

Phil,

I read (and recommend) a couple of Chemical Engineering handbooks written by Buddhists. Does that make me a Buddhist, too?

38   Evan Hurst    
March 7th, 2008 at 7:09 pm

i don’t know what Phil thinks, but to me it suggests that you, personally, portend the anti-Christ’s coming, and we should all be wary.

:)

39   amy    
March 7th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

You’re skewing the issue Chris. It’s not just a “footnote.” It’s a recommendation.

For a mind-blowing introduction to emergence theory and divine creativity, set aside three months and read Ken Wilber’s A Brief History of Everything. (192, endnote 143)

(from Velvet Elvis) quoted from Ken Silva

Is there some context in Velvet Elvis that shows that this is not a recommendation?

40   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
March 7th, 2008 at 7:49 pm

Amy,
You should read it. It’s fascinating

41   Christian P    http://www.churchvoices.com
March 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

Joe,

Should she read Velvet Elvis or A Brief History of Everything?

Is that an endorsement, a recommendation, or a footnote?

42   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
March 7th, 2008 at 8:58 pm

yes

43   M.G.    
March 7th, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Amy,

I would rewcommend you read some Kant, Hegel, Heidegger, Nietsche, and Russell. It’s called being well-educated and being well-rounded. Just because I recommend someone to be read doesn’t mean I think it’s something integral to spiritual formation.

Unless Bell said something to that effect, I’d prrefer to be a charitable reader and give him the benefit of the doubt.

44   amy    
March 7th, 2008 at 9:17 pm

yes

And why are the underlying ideas of “A Brief History of Everything” fascinating? And why do you endorse and recommend them?

45   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
March 7th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

Ok, I’m about to shut the computer down, but I would endorse you reading them, which is far different than endorsing the ideas. I endorse people reading Mein Keimpf (however it’s spelled) but I do NOT endorse the ideas presented in it.
Grace and peace to you Amy. I know you think I don’t mean that, but I really do. Have a great weekend.

46   Chris L    http://www.fishingtheabyss.com/
March 7th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

You’re skewing the issue Chris. It’s not just a “footnote.”

My apologies… it’s not a footnote, it’s an endnote (implying it’s buried even further down than a footnote…), #143…

(192, endnote 143)

47   patrick    http://www.kogmedia.com
March 9th, 2008 at 10:59 am

watched CwG recently, i appreciate the point that Neale Donald Walsch makes about having freedom to admit that he’s not perfect so he can move on from where he is at that point… unfortunately there are a lot of dangerous half-truths in that movie as well.