So by the ODM standard, was I?

1. Lying
2. Angry and slandering
3. Mistaken
4. Dishonest
5. A satanic influenced heretic that has lost my salvation (though you believe in eternal security, but go figure)
6. Unworthy of redemption because I was wrong though I had the right album.

That’s easy, Iggy. You are a heretic simply for the fact that you were listening to Steve Taylor. Steve Taylor is working with Donald Miller nowadays, I hear. So if there was any doubt that he was on the naughty list before, there isn’t now.

Actually the lyric that PB quoted is from the song “Whatcha Gonna Do When Your Number’s Up?”, but it’s off the album, “I Want to Be a Clone”.

So by the ODM standard, was I?

1. Lying
2. Angry and slandering
3. Mistaken
4. Dishonest
5. A satanic influenced heretic that has lost my salvation (though you believe in eternal security, but go figure)
6. Unworthy of redemption because I was wrong though I had the right album.

iggy

Neil

When Ken or Ingrid are mistaken or put together some faulty research (yes, I even admit this happens), CRN.info has traditionally called them liars – that’s right, straight for the jugular.

in my experience with “this type of person,” they don’t apologize because their “writing” is “consistently and intentionally intellectually dishonest,” as they rarely say in Lubbock…

the only snag is discerning (ha ha) which of these “writers” are part of the intellectual dishonesty machine, and which are mere victims.

Why is her language viewed as “slander” when yours is simply disagreeing?

Slander:

Disagreement

Hope you can see the difference. I disagree with my mom and my best friends on things, but I do not go out and slander them because of our disagreement. It seems this is lost on ODM’s…

iggy

I disagree with Ingrid on many things I’m sure (ex. Catechisms in the church, interpretation of Song of Solomon, etc).

They’ve been absolutely savaging Driscoll over his interpretation of SoS, and you agree with Driscoll, yet somehow that’s not worth quibbling over?

That’s team gamesmanship at its lowest Dave, and its disgusting.

Well, when people lie, we do tend to call them liars. And they have lied, a lot.

The one thing that separates us is that we are seeking reconciliation and justice not some strange self validation.
I also hope we never give the appearance that we seek restoration but then never give it. I see this over and over with Ken especially.

I am always open to them as far as reconciliation and forgiving them.

iggy

Why is her language viewed as “slander” when yours is simply disagreeing?

Let’s start with the fact that Ingrid accused him of lying when there’s no evidence that Nathan was deliberately distorting the truth. In fact, the only way you can even accuse him of being wrong is by pretending that arson is so categorically different from bombing that it wouldn’t fall into the realm of terrorism.

On top of that she belittles Mosaic as a shallow church that is interested above all in “cheese sculpting”, and equivocates Nathan with shills for Planned Parenthood.

Can’t you see the difference yet?

When Ken or Ingrid are mistaken or put together some faulty research (yes, I even admit this happens), CRN.info has traditionally called them liars – that’s right, straight for the jugular.

Well, when people lie, we do tend to call them liars. And they have lied, a lot.

Ken as far as I have seen never apologizes nor admits mistakes.

Ingrid has admitted mistakes at least once I recall though I am not sure what it was over…

But 99% of the time Ken or Ingrid and a whole string of others never make mistakes or apologize…

The closest thing I come across is that they might state that you are still wrong then rephrase what you stated slightly so but it still is the same thing. They also can never ever ever be in agreement with someone they deemed “heretic”.

iggy