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	<title>Comments on: Justice and Mercy #29 &#8211; Politics</title>
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		<title>By: Nathan Rice</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53060</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why ever leave the house then?  why not just sit inside a pray all day?  in fact, why even respond to me?  if God wanted me to not be so passionate about this subject, he COULD after all just correct me Himself, right?

You sound very Calvinistic for an Armenian, Rick ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why ever leave the house then?  why not just sit inside a pray all day?  in fact, why even respond to me?  if God wanted me to not be so passionate about this subject, he COULD after all just correct me Himself, right?</p>
<p>You sound very Calvinistic for an Armenian, Rick <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53048</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless there was a God who could do anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless there was a God who could do anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Rice</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53046</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:12:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
The founders could have said that too ... and there would have been no Declaration of Independence, no Constitution, and no America.  The world would most likely be run by competing tyrants today if the founders and revolutionaries hadn&#039;t taken action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
The founders could have said that too &#8230; and there would have been no Declaration of Independence, no Constitution, and no America.  The world would most likely be run by competing tyrants today if the founders and revolutionaries hadn&#8217;t taken action.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53045</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the Three Stooges episode when they were plumbers and in fixing the shower leak they just added pipe to the leak?

Politics in action, much pipe adding, same old leak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the Three Stooges episode when they were plumbers and in fixing the shower leak they just added pipe to the leak?</p>
<p>Politics in action, much pipe adding, same old leak.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Rice</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53044</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rick,
Headache&#039;s gone ... thank the Lord!  You can pray, I will too.  But I&#039;m gonna do something about America.  Faith and action, ya know? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick,<br />
Headache&#8217;s gone &#8230; thank the Lord!  You can pray, I will too.  But I&#8217;m gonna do something about America.  Faith and action, ya know? <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53029</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan, relax, you&#039;ll get another headache. Have faith, man, the devil is well able to operate his government. Estimated cost for this years politics=

Billions with an &quot;s&quot;. There&#039;s a real sleek system!

BTW - The National Treasure movie doesn&#039;t reveal to you one startling fact about the Declaration of Independence. It wasn&#039;t written by Jefferson, it was written by Maureen Dowd&#039;s ancestors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan, relax, you&#8217;ll get another headache. Have faith, man, the devil is well able to operate his government. Estimated cost for this years politics=</p>
<p>Billions with an &#8220;s&#8221;. There&#8217;s a real sleek system!</p>
<p>BTW &#8211; The National Treasure movie doesn&#8217;t reveal to you one startling fact about the Declaration of Independence. It wasn&#8217;t written by Jefferson, it was written by Maureen Dowd&#8217;s ancestors!</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Rice</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/03/06/justice-and-mercy-29-politics/comment-page-2/#comment-53019</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathan Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 14:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s just get a couple of things straight:

1. Whether or not you thing the Constitution is relevant, is irrelevant.  As far as founding documents go, it&#039;s pretty freaking perfect.  Not because it covers ever single possible problem the country could face, but because it grants rights to the people to amend it if necessary.

2. &quot;Basic Human Rights&quot; is the most oft-used, and scarcely understood principles ever concocted.  Please stop claiming that everything under the sun is a basic human right.

3. Republicans aren&#039;t conservatives.  Don&#039;t for a minute think that pointing the finger at GWB and saying &quot;he does it too&quot; works as an argument for liberalism.  Republicans are slightly more conservative than Democrats, but only slightly.

4. State government is the primary intended solution to most problems.  The federal government was intentionally given limited power.

5. Taxes are the most modern iteration of Robin Hood pragmatism.  Taxing for the purposed of funding a government function is fine.  Taxing in order to simply give the money back out is not fine.

6. Rights don&#039;t change with the centuries.  If you didn&#039;t have the right to clean water in 1800, then you don&#039;t have the right to clean water in 2008.  As far as the Constitution is concerned, you don&#039;t have the right to water at all, just the freedom to go find it.

7. People are lazy by nature.  Big government always makes them lazier.

8. There will be some who cannot work, and therefore cannot help themselves.  We have individual, moral responsibilities to help them.  Contrary to what was said earlier, it&#039;s an oxymoron to say &quot;We have a moral responsibility to steal from those who have, and give to those who have not&quot;.

9. How much good could you do if you had 1/3 more money in your paycheck?  Who do you trust more to do good with that money, you or the government?

10. Military spending is overblown.  We maintain a half-trillion dollar per year military budget (plus the war), and it needs to stop.  Many liberals say we need to cut that back and spend it at home, but I say we need to cut back period.  No need to spend that money at all.  Just give it back to the people who paid it.

Finally, if any liberals think we are in any position to spend any more money on any new programs, just know that we have a 9.4 trillion dollar national debt.  You don&#039;t buy new things until you pay off the things you already have.

Please stop playing games with other people&#039;s money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s just get a couple of things straight:</p>
<p>1. Whether or not you thing the Constitution is relevant, is irrelevant.  As far as founding documents go, it&#8217;s pretty freaking perfect.  Not because it covers ever single possible problem the country could face, but because it grants rights to the people to amend it if necessary.</p>
<p>2. &#8220;Basic Human Rights&#8221; is the most oft-used, and scarcely understood principles ever concocted.  Please stop claiming that everything under the sun is a basic human right.</p>
<p>3. Republicans aren&#8217;t conservatives.  Don&#8217;t for a minute think that pointing the finger at GWB and saying &#8220;he does it too&#8221; works as an argument for liberalism.  Republicans are slightly more conservative than Democrats, but only slightly.</p>
<p>4. State government is the primary intended solution to most problems.  The federal government was intentionally given limited power.</p>
<p>5. Taxes are the most modern iteration of Robin Hood pragmatism.  Taxing for the purposed of funding a government function is fine.  Taxing in order to simply give the money back out is not fine.</p>
<p>6. Rights don&#8217;t change with the centuries.  If you didn&#8217;t have the right to clean water in 1800, then you don&#8217;t have the right to clean water in 2008.  As far as the Constitution is concerned, you don&#8217;t have the right to water at all, just the freedom to go find it.</p>
<p>7. People are lazy by nature.  Big government always makes them lazier.</p>
<p>8. There will be some who cannot work, and therefore cannot help themselves.  We have individual, moral responsibilities to help them.  Contrary to what was said earlier, it&#8217;s an oxymoron to say &#8220;We have a moral responsibility to steal from those who have, and give to those who have not&#8221;.</p>
<p>9. How much good could you do if you had 1/3 more money in your paycheck?  Who do you trust more to do good with that money, you or the government?</p>
<p>10. Military spending is overblown.  We maintain a half-trillion dollar per year military budget (plus the war), and it needs to stop.  Many liberals say we need to cut that back and spend it at home, but I say we need to cut back period.  No need to spend that money at all.  Just give it back to the people who paid it.</p>
<p>Finally, if any liberals think we are in any position to spend any more money on any new programs, just know that we have a 9.4 trillion dollar national debt.  You don&#8217;t buy new things until you pay off the things you already have.</p>
<p>Please stop playing games with other people&#8217;s money.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;and a whole other one to say it is an economic issue when youâ€™re actually pregnant and scared out of your mind.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

well, i was kinda addressing one part of the issue...

but you know that ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>and a whole other one to say it is an economic issue when youâ€™re actually pregnant and scared out of your mind.</p></blockquote>
<p>well, i was kinda addressing one part of the issue&#8230;</p>
<p>but you know that <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mandy reed, owosso mi</title>
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		<dc:creator>mandy reed, owosso mi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 21:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points evan.  as we&#039;ve discussed this, you know my thoughts (which i&#039;m not comfortable with putting out here for the whole world to see... or at least all 15 of you) :) 

however, I would say (not to pull the &quot;I&#039;m a woman&quot; card) that becoming pregnant in not the best circumstances (even while married!) as made the issue of abortion look way different to me.  Not that I&#039;m saying &quot;Hooray! Abortion!&quot; but it&#039;s one thing to say it&#039;s a spiritual/moral subject when you&#039;re not pregnant... and a whole other one to say it is an economic issue when you&#039;re actually pregnant and scared out of your mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good points evan.  as we&#8217;ve discussed this, you know my thoughts (which i&#8217;m not comfortable with putting out here for the whole world to see&#8230; or at least all 15 of you) <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>however, I would say (not to pull the &#8220;I&#8217;m a woman&#8221; card) that becoming pregnant in not the best circumstances (even while married!) as made the issue of abortion look way different to me.  Not that I&#8217;m saying &#8220;Hooray! Abortion!&#8221; but it&#8217;s one thing to say it&#8217;s a spiritual/moral subject when you&#8217;re not pregnant&#8230; and a whole other one to say it is an economic issue when you&#8217;re actually pregnant and scared out of your mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 20:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh, they realize it, but you have to remember being a teenager, and the utter lack of maturity that it entails, combined with the insane rush of hormones that cause people to be phenomenally stupid for the better part of a decade of their lives. ;)  

you&#039;re right that there&#039;s not a silver bullet, but the thing with the education is that kids need to know EXACTLY how to prevent pregnancy.  (and that includes more than &quot;don&#039;t have sex.&quot;  because some of them are going to.)

this is just an isolated example, but i alluded to the Christian kids above who got pregnant when i was in HS.  obviously their parents never took the time, because they probably thought &quot;well, surely, MY kids aren&#039;t doing this, i mean, we&#039;re strong Christians!  and the Bible study meets at our house all the time!&quot;  well, kids can get caught up in myths like &quot;well, it&#039;s not sex if X.&quot;  &quot; you can&#039;t get pregnant if Y.&quot;  and as you well know, i&#039;m sure, when kids are responsible for teaching kids, it&#039;s the blind leading the blind.  

these two didn&#039;t have an abortion, by the way.  but some in the same situation do.  

i just think that, as a society, we need to make available to people ALL of the education they might need, and ALL of the &quot;implements&quot; they might use, if they find themselves in a situation where, &quot;i was planning to wait for marriage, but WHEEEE!&quot;

oops.  pregnant.

y&#039;know?

and i agree that abortion is heinous.  

that&#039;s another one of the myths i think has taken hold, perhaps partly due to some of the tactics of activists on the pro-choice side of things:  i think you&#039;d be hard pressed to find somebody (who is, like, sane) who would actually say, &quot;oh, abortion?  i love abortion!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh, they realize it, but you have to remember being a teenager, and the utter lack of maturity that it entails, combined with the insane rush of hormones that cause people to be phenomenally stupid for the better part of a decade of their lives. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>you&#8217;re right that there&#8217;s not a silver bullet, but the thing with the education is that kids need to know EXACTLY how to prevent pregnancy.  (and that includes more than &#8220;don&#8217;t have sex.&#8221;  because some of them are going to.)</p>
<p>this is just an isolated example, but i alluded to the Christian kids above who got pregnant when i was in HS.  obviously their parents never took the time, because they probably thought &#8220;well, surely, MY kids aren&#8217;t doing this, i mean, we&#8217;re strong Christians!  and the Bible study meets at our house all the time!&#8221;  well, kids can get caught up in myths like &#8220;well, it&#8217;s not sex if X.&#8221;  &#8221; you can&#8217;t get pregnant if Y.&#8221;  and as you well know, i&#8217;m sure, when kids are responsible for teaching kids, it&#8217;s the blind leading the blind.  </p>
<p>these two didn&#8217;t have an abortion, by the way.  but some in the same situation do.  </p>
<p>i just think that, as a society, we need to make available to people ALL of the education they might need, and ALL of the &#8220;implements&#8221; they might use, if they find themselves in a situation where, &#8220;i was planning to wait for marriage, but WHEEEE!&#8221;</p>
<p>oops.  pregnant.</p>
<p>y&#8217;know?</p>
<p>and i agree that abortion is heinous.  </p>
<p>that&#8217;s another one of the myths i think has taken hold, perhaps partly due to some of the tactics of activists on the pro-choice side of things:  i think you&#8217;d be hard pressed to find somebody (who is, like, sane) who would actually say, &#8220;oh, abortion?  i love abortion!&#8221;</p>
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