Archive for April 9th, 2008

  • Share/Bookmark

ODM ResearchThe current theme in discernmentalism seems to be Guilt-By-Association (GBA), whether they’re rummaging through your CD collection or just repeating GBA lies, (or simply attention whoring) it seems that no leaps in illogic or six-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon smearing are too low to go.

I just got caught up on last week’s ODM ThoughtCrimeTM target: Your bookshelf.

In her article last Friday, Ingrid and Lighthouse Trails “Research” demonstrate how to (attempt to) discredit anyone via GBA fallacy through their bookshelf. To wit:

1) Erwin McManus put together a conference, Awaken 2008, run last week.

2) One of the 23 speakers at the conference was Mark Batterson, who had a 10-minute slot in which to speak about his experience with non-traditional churches. From the conference website:

Mark Batterson serves as lead pastor of National Community Church ( ) in Washington, DC. NCC was recognized as one of the 25 Most Innovative Churches in America by Outreach Magazine in 2007. Focused on reaching emerging generations, 73% of NCCers are single twenty-somethings and 70% come from an unchurched or dechurched background. The vision of NCC is to meet in movie theaters at metro stops throughout the metro DC area. NCC also owns and operates the largest coffeehouse on Capitol Hill. In 2007, Ebenezers was recognized as the #2 coffeehouse in the metro DC area by AOL CityGuide. Mark has two Masters Degrees from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Chicago, Illinois. He is the author of In a Pit with a Lion on a Snowy Day. And he is a daily blogger @ Mark is married to Lora and they live on Capitol Hill with their three children: Parker, Summer, and Josiah.

3) Batterson maintains a blog. On he, he wrote about his 10-minute presentation:

I decided to speak on one of the greatest dangers we face as leaders. Neurological studies have shown that over the course of time, there is a cognitive shift from right-brain to left-brain. And if we don’t find a way to stop the shift, memory overtakes imagination. We stop creating the future and start repeating the past. We stop innovating and start imitating. We stop doing ministry out of imagination and start doing ministry out of memory.

A few years ago I read something R.T Kendall wrote that impacted me: “The greatest opposition to what God is doing today comes from those who were on the cutting edge of what God was doing yesterday.

I don’t want that to be me! [Emphasis his]

4) On his blog, Batterson has a reading list, with 8 primary categories, including one on Spirituality and one on Philosophy & Psychology.

5) Of the 128 books on his list, Batterson has a book by Eckhart Tolle (Practicing the Power of Now) in his section on Philosophy & Psychology (not Spirituality, mind you).

6) Therefore, Erwin McManus is promoting Eckhart Tolle – Tada!

While we’re at it, perhaps we should use Batterson’s library to further paint McManus as promoting Judiasm (The Tipping Point by Malcolm Gladwell), Mormonism (The Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey), New-Agey Self-Help (Awaken the Giant Within by Anthony Robbins), biased media (The Greatest Generation by Tom Brokaw), Calvinism (Desiring God by John Piper), Emergent (A New Kind of Christian by Brian McLaren), A Capella worship (Just Like Jesus by Max Lucado), Catholocism (The Practice of the Presence of God by Brother Lawrence), Capitalism (How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie), Athiesm/Naturalism (The Universe in a Nutshell by Stephen Hawking)…

It is really sad when Christians find ways to stoop lower than a warring politician flinging mud. GBA Logic this tissue-thin wouldn’t even pass the Clinton red-face test… Whatever happened to not delighting evil, but rejoicing with the truth? But then again, truth doesn’t sell well in talk radio, or bring in more sponsorship revenue for online ‘research’…

  • Share/Bookmark

This is a special edition of our podcast. I interview the author of Cedarville: Liver who is known only as Bannerman. He has spent his time blogging about the ongoing situation and now summarizes it for us as well as offers a different perspective on the situation than the vocal critics.

Download it here or listen to it below.

If you’d like to contact us about the podcast you can email me.

Click here to subscribe to the podcast in Itunes.

Here’s the feed for every other podcast client

Also if you’d like to help us out you can vote for our podcast.

icon for podpress  Justice and Mercy #32 - Cedarville: Play Now | Play in Popup | Download
  • Share/Bookmark

Tags: , , ,

As the saying goes; “repeat something enough and it will become truth”. Well holding out hope that the adage will hold true; Ingrid once again has attempted to paint Rick Warren with the “heretic” brush. 

In her latest post entitled “Here a Christ, There a Christ” she rightly connects Leonard Sweet with Rick Warren for the upcoming event “Wired” at Saddleback Church. Only problem is that she formulates an ad hominem attack with an ad nauseam argument and presents an ad hoc solution. Confused? Let me explain.

Ad Hominem- Rick Warren is a heretic because he associates with______________or he uses ______________ in his church.

In this case the fact that Leonard Sweet is speaking at the “Wired” Conference.

Ad Nauseam- How does she formulate her argument? Per the ODM handbook; she links to a Lighthouse Trails Research article about Leonard Sweet. Which is littered with *gasp*  proof-texts, assumptions, and lies misinformation.

Just because you have a whole bunch of 6 people agreeing with you and you have links to their website does not make it truth.

Ad Hoc – Posting an article from a pastor (which was a great article BTW) that doesn’t mention Rick Warren, Leonard Sweet, or Saddleback does nothing to illustrate, strengthen, or offer solution to your argument.

The article does mention Eckhart Tolle and Oprah. It also mentions “christ-consciousness” which is the only connection that I can find to Leonard Sweet. He did after all say that exact phrase 8 times in his 285 page, 1991 book “Quantum Spirituality“.

Thus taking the “guilt by association” game to the championship round.

  • Share/Bookmark