Once again, Ken Silva attempted to take on Erwin McManus, claiming that his doctrine is no different than the new-aged philosophers of our day. Even though Silva has been proven wrong time and time again on this subject, he has to keep the juicy headlines coming to keep his hits up. What good is a prophetic discerner without a large, blind and angry following, ready to email and repost everything they have said?

Anyhow, I though this quote from his article was quite telling of where most of the ODMs stand on the gospel. It also shows the lovely twists they put on their stories. After informing the world that McManus had taught a seminary class at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary in Mill Valley, CA, he reacts to McManus saying that Spiritual leaders are essentially cultural architects who shape their culture. Silva’s response:

“Uh-huh, right. So that’s what caused each Apostle save John to be brutally murdered. These ambassadors for Jesus Christ were shaping their culture. Hardly”

What a strange quote from a man that is attempting to shape culture with the gospel. I mean, he runs two websites, does countless radio interviews, and apparently hears from God about who he should attack next. Despite all this, Ken Silva actually believes that the gospel has no power or affect on culture. You see, contrary to Mr. Silva, I actually believe and know that the gospel is good for teaching, reproof, correction and training in righteousness. If that doesn’t have a huge affect on the world and culture around us, something is wrong.

editor’s note: research tactics and quote splicing techniques used by ODMs may have been utilized in the making of this article.

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1   Billy Edwards    http://transformedchurch.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 10:33 am

I’ve been on your site a lot. Like what you have to say. But tell me…what is an ODM?

2   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 10:45 am

Billy: ODM = “Online Discernment Ministry” = anyone that speaks out against anything the writers here are for.

If your wife is not “smokin’ hot” or you worship band ain’t “off the hook”…move along. Nothin’ to see here. Now if you like to banter back and forth with a bunch of folks that probably don’t see things the same way you do…stick around. It can be really fun sometimes. (I’m making some assumptions here based on a couple of the links I saw on your blog. Forgive me if I’ve misread something there.)

Welcome to the “fray!”

3   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 14th, 2008 at 10:55 am

O – Online
D – Dating
M – Mentor

4   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
April 14th, 2008 at 11:20 am

Keith is close. It stands for Online “Discernment” “Ministry” – Essentially those who spend their time and energy attacking the body of Christ for their own personal fame and fortune.

5   Christian    http://www.churchvoices.com
April 14th, 2008 at 11:31 am

Billy, don’t listen to Keith. He has no idea what he is talking about. I don’t know him and he clearly doesn’t know me. I write for this site and although my wife is smoking hot, I preach at a small rural church that doesn’t have a band. Although, I’m not sure how having a beautiful wife plays into anything we do on this site.

6   Joe Martino    http://joemartino.name
April 14th, 2008 at 11:34 am

“Off the hook” who uses that phrase since like 1984?

7   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
April 14th, 2008 at 11:44 am

“Off the hook”

Isn’t that when you remove the fish?

8   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
April 14th, 2008 at 12:22 pm

“Off the hook” who uses that phrase since like 1984?

Actually ‘89.

We (Reformed Church youth pastors that is) say “You feelin’ me” or “Yo I’m feelin that”.

Keith you’re so funny. In a Martin Short sorta way!

9   nc    
April 14th, 2008 at 12:31 pm

I prefer “off the chain”.

My wife is not smokin’ hot…she’s full-blown on fire “hot”.
I hope my little girl finds a great husband who will sing her praises as well.

And I go to a church that has a full instrumental ensemble driven by a choir and an organ.

10   nc    
April 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

so much for the “hip” church stereotype.

11   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 12:32 pm

Guys…

The kids say “That’s gangsta’ ” now.

Seen it in among the youth in the church…

It’s pretty gangsta’ if you ask me…

Joe

12   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

Or…”That’s hott” or…”Hott stuff!”

Or wait…that’s just what I say….

13   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 12:36 pm

And Paris Hilton…

14   Keith    http://fivepts.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 1:45 pm

““Off the hook” who uses that phrase since like 1984?” Most of you guys were still soiling your diapers in 1984. Actually, the Movie Pastor, as well as Chris Elrod uses that phrase. I was just trying to be emergent relevant…DUDES!

15   Phil Miller    http://veritasfellowship.blogspot.com
April 14th, 2008 at 1:49 pm

The new fat guy with bleached hair on the Food Network also still uses that phrase.

Where can I get a job where I get paid to eat?