Comments on: Justice and Mercy #33 – Immigration with the VS Boys

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:05:57 +0000

Phil – When gave instituted the Faest of Booths, but it wasn’t the voting booth!

By: Phil Miller

Phil Miller — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:39:23 +0000

If voting changed anything, they’d make it illegal.
– Emma Goldman

I saw this quote the other day, Rick, and I thought of you.

By: Dave Muller

Dave Muller — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:46:12 +0000

uh oh, Rick breaks out the political stuff.

/me ducks for cover.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:29:51 +0000

To suggest the apostle Paul was an actice political citizen is a major stretch. We should be good citizens. Keep our property nice, help our neighbors, pray for the leaders, represent Christ in Little League, etc..

But when people ask me who I am voting for and without any smugness I reply that I have chosen not to they ask me why. The door swings wide open for an opportunity to witness about Christ and my conversion without getting into political issues.

My wife still votes, but none of my children do. (3)

By: Dave Muller

Dave Muller — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:50:04 +0000

In a very real sense, we are the government.

I can’t think of any American who wants the IRS. We (people as a whole – I’m not US) vote on people who best represent what we want and “best” is sometimes the lesser of two evils.

By: John

John — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:29:20 +0000

Just to add to what Tim said, the real issue is that, while it is proper for the government to protect the border, in America we elect the government. In a very real sense, we are the government.

Hence, unless we accept Rick’s advice and secede from our role as citizens altogether (something the Apostle Paul did not do) we have two roles to play.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:12:07 +0000

Wow, I have dissected your last comment under the most suspicious of scrutiny and with a latent bias against you and I have found myself in complete agreement.

I need help…

By: Tim Reed, Owosso MI

Tim Reed, Owosso MI — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:10:13 +0000

Rick,
I believe that the reference to schizophrenia was what a proper view of how the gov’t should act versus (or alongside) how a Christian should act. For example, its proper for the gov’t to deny entrance to a criminal fleeing from another country, while the church should be binding his wounds and giving him a ride on our collective donkies.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 17:03:36 +0000

No, schizophrenia would be if we had two wills about it. We don’t, God’s will for what the government is just that, His. God’s will for us involves us. We are not called to manifest God’s will in anything else but the church and specifically our part of the church.

Attempting to veer the governemnt is useless and in fact, as YOU once observed, takes much money and time that should have been poured out upon the poor, needy, etc., etc.. I will conyinue to be the a-political conscience, and John and Scott, I know you’re listening, stop the madness!!!!

By: Tim Reed, Owosso MI

Tim Reed, Owosso MI — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 16:58:20 +0000

I agree with the spiritual view at the end. However, there can be no schizophrenia in our view.

There has to be. The gov’t is set up to punish evil, it is right and proper for the gov’t to imprison a thief, it is wrong for us to lock up a thief in the church.