So this is heresy, pt. 3

Posted by: Tim
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7
May

I’ve been catching up on my podcasts today and was listening to the Rob Bell sermon titled Exalted in My Body.

Here’s a sample:

Our world tells you and I that we are loved, valued and accepted by how good we are, how right we are, how well lined up we are. Our world tells us that God loves winners, that God loves achievers. Our world tells us that we’re loved valued and accepted by what we do. And the upside down nature of the wisdom of Christ is that God loves us simply because we are God’s children. The essence of the gospel is that we aren’t saved in our life in all of our goodness but that we are saved in our death. You can only understand the wisdom and saving love of Christ when you give up the game that God loves us for how good we are. God loves us period and Christ’s gospel is that you’re ok and you’re saved not in how good you are but in giving up that whole game in the first place. Its upside down logic. I’m rescued from my condition not when I continue to try to rescue myself but when I give it up and let God rescue me in Christ.

After reading that, consider everything the ODMs have said about Rob Bell. Sort of makes you wonder what they think orthodoxy is.

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1   Joe C    
May 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm

Dead works?

Moralism?

Legalism??

Looking good on the outside…

Yep…that’s the one…

2   Neil    
May 7th, 2008 at 5:17 pm

Joe,

Sorry, I don’t follow.

Neil

3   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
May 7th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

The message was very ambiguous. How does one come to this Christ? Is he saying this world will get better? What does he mean that the complaining girl, while working next to a professing believer, will come to complain less and have a little hope? How is the unity of heaven and earth going to be achieved?

And there seemed to be an emphasis upon the fact that Christ will help your life. The heartaches, the stress, all the ails of this world can be solved by Christ. I am not sure an unindoctrinated sinner would actually understand exactly what he was saying. I did not.

4   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 7th, 2008 at 8:01 pm

Rick,

I see it here, pretty plainly:

The essence of the gospel is that we aren’t saved in our life in all of our goodness but that we are saved in our death. God loves us period and Christ’s gospel is that you’re ok and you’re saved not in how good you are but in giving up that whole game in the first place. Its upside down logic. I’m rescued from my condition not when I continue to try to rescue myself but when I give it up and let God rescue me in Christ.

It is not by works is there and we are saved by giving up trying to do works… we die to self and live in Christ… I see it…

iggy

5   Joe C    http://www.joe4gzus.blogspot.com
May 7th, 2008 at 8:07 pm

Neil,

Tim asked, “Sort of makes you wonder what [the ODMs] think orthodoxy is.”

I simply answered the question to the best of my observations and personal experience of being like them in the past.

Joe

6   Neil    
May 7th, 2008 at 8:12 pm

I’ll listen later, but respond now – how’s that for cart-horse inversion.

How does one come to this Christ?

Was that the point of the message?

Is he saying this world will get better?

Isn’t that (one of) the point(s), to try and make the world better?

How is the unity of heaven and earth going to be achieved?

Not sure how, but Revelation 22 says when, and Matthew 6 says we should pray for it to happen (which implies we should try to make the world a better place).

And there seemed to be an emphasis upon the fact that Christ will help your life.

Which, of course, he can…

Anyway, if I have time, I’ll listen to all of it.

Neil

7   Neil    
May 7th, 2008 at 8:14 pm

Got it, Joe…

Thanks

Neil

8   merry    
May 8th, 2008 at 12:13 am

Just wondering, because I’m not sure about this . . . is Rob Bell actually emergent? Does he himself claim to be emergent? Or do ODMs just call him that because they don’t like him?

My mom was wondering about the emerging church today and googled it, and she said she wasn’t finding very much solid information about it. So I googled it myself and some of the first sites that popped up were Apprising and Slice of Laodicea . . . oh dear. Are there any solid, reasonable critiques to be found on the internet? Thanks. :)

9   Tim Reed, Owosso MI    http://churchvoices.com
May 8th, 2008 at 7:54 am

Just wondering, because I’m not sure about this . . . is Rob Bell actually emergent? Does he himself claim to be emergent? Or do ODMs just call him that because they don’t like him?

No, he doesn’t claim to be, and probably isn’t emergent beyond sharing some similarities in dress.

My mom was wondering about the emerging church today and googled it, and she said she wasn’t finding very much solid information about it. So I googled it myself and some of the first sites that popped up were Apprising and Slice of Laodicea . . . oh dear. Are there any solid, reasonable critiques to be found on the internet? Thanks.

You’re probably not going to find a reasonable source of critique, partially because emerging/emergent isn’t like a denomination that has a set theology laid out. You’d probably do better to pick a person/book/concept you’re interested in and google that.

10   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
May 8th, 2008 at 8:13 am

merry,

If you just read emerging/emergent blogs you will hear that we critique ourselves most of all. It is all part of the conversation.

= )
iggy

11   merry    
May 8th, 2008 at 1:11 pm

“emerging/emergent isn’t like a denomination that has a set theology laid out. You’d probably do better to pick a person/book/concept you’re interested in and google that.”

I thought that might be the case. Man, this is so confusing.

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