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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59268</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are concerned? Oh yea, the church doors are open every night with people on their faces in prayer. Thousands upon thousands of churches are paying millions of dollars of interest on new buildings while millions starve. Take a poll of how many choir members are either divorced or have been unfaithful once. Etc., etc., and etc.

Several years ago one church was packed on a Monday night. Why? Prayer for missions? Prayer for gays? Prayer for our children? No, the County Commission held a meeting to let people speak out against a new gentlemen&#039;s club opening in our area. Did they ever even think about those precious girls? How about the addicted me? The pastor of the largest church in the area made the point that it would decrease the real estate values.
That club operates tonight and NO ONE CARES.

David Livingston cared. John Wesley cared. Carey cared. And I will tell us all something I have not shared. The guy Shane Clairborne at least cares for the human man. I cannot ascribe to his doctrine, but the Holy Spirit uses people with whom I could never agree to convict me personally about &quot;getting dirty&quot; with the sinful world.

And voting against homosexual rights is nothing more than attempting to protect our so called moral lifestyles. We don&#039;t love gay people and many people feel they deserve hell. Hypocrisy doesn&#039;t begin to address what much of the church exhibits. We wouldn&#039;t drink from the same glass as a gay person and yet the holiest man who ever lived allowed and embraced the spit that flowed from the lips of wicked men.

Yea, we&#039;ll all lose sleep over the plight of the gay community. And if we define &quot;care&quot; as &lt;strong&gt;I hope they get saved&lt;/strong&gt;, then we are pitiful, very pitiful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are concerned? Oh yea, the church doors are open every night with people on their faces in prayer. Thousands upon thousands of churches are paying millions of dollars of interest on new buildings while millions starve. Take a poll of how many choir members are either divorced or have been unfaithful once. Etc., etc., and etc.</p>
<p>Several years ago one church was packed on a Monday night. Why? Prayer for missions? Prayer for gays? Prayer for our children? No, the County Commission held a meeting to let people speak out against a new gentlemen&#8217;s club opening in our area. Did they ever even think about those precious girls? How about the addicted me? The pastor of the largest church in the area made the point that it would decrease the real estate values.<br />
That club operates tonight and NO ONE CARES.</p>
<p>David Livingston cared. John Wesley cared. Carey cared. And I will tell us all something I have not shared. The guy Shane Clairborne at least cares for the human man. I cannot ascribe to his doctrine, but the Holy Spirit uses people with whom I could never agree to convict me personally about &#8220;getting dirty&#8221; with the sinful world.</p>
<p>And voting against homosexual rights is nothing more than attempting to protect our so called moral lifestyles. We don&#8217;t love gay people and many people feel they deserve hell. Hypocrisy doesn&#8217;t begin to address what much of the church exhibits. We wouldn&#8217;t drink from the same glass as a gay person and yet the holiest man who ever lived allowed and embraced the spit that flowed from the lips of wicked men.</p>
<p>Yea, we&#8217;ll all lose sleep over the plight of the gay community. And if we define &#8220;care&#8221; as <strong>I hope they get saved</strong>, then we are pitiful, very pitiful.</p>
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		<title>By: Break The Terror</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59267</link>
		<dc:creator>Break The Terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 01:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;if we weren’t concerned about those things, too. But we are, so he doesn’t.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

ehhhh...

call me when the Christian church and its front organizations start spending millions of dollars in the political realm to spread disinformation campaigns about those who get divorces, and attempt to maim the United States Constitution, with an utter lack of regard for or understanding of civics or the meaning of said Constitution, in order to prohibit people from committing adultery.

until then, people are right to acknowledge that much of the American Christian church is utterly and unreasonably obsessed with homosexuality, though most of you/them don&#039;t even know gay people beyond the false caricatures painted for you by the likes of the American &quot;Family&quot; Association, ok thx bye...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>if we weren’t concerned about those things, too. But we are, so he doesn’t.</p></blockquote>
<p>ehhhh&#8230;</p>
<p>call me when the Christian church and its front organizations start spending millions of dollars in the political realm to spread disinformation campaigns about those who get divorces, and attempt to maim the United States Constitution, with an utter lack of regard for or understanding of civics or the meaning of said Constitution, in order to prohibit people from committing adultery.</p>
<p>until then, people are right to acknowledge that much of the American Christian church is utterly and unreasonably obsessed with homosexuality, though most of you/them don&#8217;t even know gay people beyond the false caricatures painted for you by the likes of the American &#8220;Family&#8221; Association, ok thx bye&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59242</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;they still double down into their self-constructed insanity.&quot;

I&#039;m all in! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;they still double down into their self-constructed insanity.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in! <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jazzact13</title>
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		<dc:creator>jazzact13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 21:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--Fighting gay marriage like it’s killing civilization seems inconsistent amid cultural curses like adultery, groundless divorce, and pornography—all hetero and legal.--

He may have a point, if we weren&#039;t concerned about those things, too. But we are, so he doesn&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;Fighting gay marriage like it’s killing civilization seems inconsistent amid cultural curses like adultery, groundless divorce, and pornography—all hetero and legal.&#8211;</p>
<p>He may have a point, if we weren&#8217;t concerned about those things, too. But we are, so he doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Break The Terror</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59046</link>
		<dc:creator>Break The Terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 07:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha, yes, I know, Chris.

That&#039;s the point I was making...that there are some who are so...brainwashed, i mean such...True Believers...that when statistics, research, and nuance contradict what they believe to be true, they still double down into their self-constructed insanity.

That&#039;s all.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha, yes, I know, Chris.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point I was making&#8230;that there are some who are so&#8230;brainwashed, i mean such&#8230;True Believers&#8230;that when statistics, research, and nuance contradict what they believe to be true, they still double down into their self-constructed insanity.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all.  <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 03:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Evan,

While I agree with much of your comment, I would point out that &#039;statistics&#039;, &#039;research&#039; and &#039;nuance&#039; are not liberal/conservative properties...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>While I agree with much of your comment, I would point out that &#8217;statistics&#8217;, &#8216;research&#8217; and &#8216;nuance&#8217; are not liberal/conservative properties&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Break The Terror</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59036</link>
		<dc:creator>Break The Terror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 May 2008 01:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesus said to remove the log from your on eye, which tells us that it is possible then to do so and to judge rightly.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Wait...are you seriously taking that verse as a justification to judge others?  Hehehehehehehe...that&#039;s precious.

Jesus was being sarcastic!  You have to read for the tone sometimes, my goodness...

Oh, and lots of people hold &quot;pro-life&quot; views personally, yet see that the so-called &quot;pro-life&quot; movement is actually a fraud, and that the pro-choice movement does more to reduce the number of abortions performed in this country than the so-called &quot;pro-life&quot; movement.  Those statistics come from the liberal fields of &quot;statistics&quot; and &quot;research,&quot; and the issue is hashed out mentally in the liberal realm of &quot;nuance.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Jesus said to remove the log from your on eye, which tells us that it is possible then to do so and to judge rightly.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Wait&#8230;are you seriously taking that verse as a justification to judge others?  Hehehehehehehe&#8230;that&#8217;s precious.</p>
<p>Jesus was being sarcastic!  You have to read for the tone sometimes, my goodness&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh, and lots of people hold &#8220;pro-life&#8221; views personally, yet see that the so-called &#8220;pro-life&#8221; movement is actually a fraud, and that the pro-choice movement does more to reduce the number of abortions performed in this country than the so-called &#8220;pro-life&#8221; movement.  Those statistics come from the liberal fields of &#8220;statistics&#8221; and &#8220;research,&#8221; and the issue is hashed out mentally in the liberal realm of &#8220;nuance.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/05/16/self-examination-hurts/comment-page-1/#comment-59015</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up. Finally. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up. Finally. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Joe Martino</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Martino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 18:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I give up. Except to say, that Rick you should feel free to quote and link here in your post on your BLOG. Have fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I give up. Except to say, that Rick you should feel free to quote and link here in your post on your BLOG. Have fun.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 May 2008 15:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should then place a word limit to each submission so that the original submission is not a disguised comment in itself. Again, just a thought. Richard&#039;s &quot;submission&quot; was an editorial disguised as a submission.

Not a big deal though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should then place a word limit to each submission so that the original submission is not a disguised comment in itself. Again, just a thought. Richard&#8217;s &#8220;submission&#8221; was an editorial disguised as a submission.</p>
<p>Not a big deal though.</p>
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