… God is going to drop some serious wrath on him.
Now there’s some high quality Calvinist theology. I mean imagine if sinners got wind of the gospel! All hell wouldn’t break loose!
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Ugh. I was afraid somebody was going to come up with some reason or another not to pray for Ted Kennedy.
Basically their reasoning is that there are so many people in the world we could be praying for besides Ted Kennedy. Yes, there are a lot of people in the world to pray for. When you look at it that way, why even bother to pray? We’re only able to pray for a few people, so why bother?
As far as ‘honoring’ Ted Kennedy by praying for him goes, Jesus ‘honored’ a lot of people. He ‘honored’ sinners and tax collectors (there’s a bad joke in here, but I won’t bother!). I think it was called humility.
Let’s look at this from the other side. If they won’t pray for Ted Kennedy, then there’s a whole lot of people in this world that they are to good to pray for. Trust me, there are worse people than Ted Kennedy. On second thought, is anyone really a whole lot better than him?
Good.
Grief.
Pathetic.
Especially since the writer’s life has inevitably been influenced in some way for the better by legislation Ted Kennedy fought for.
Yeah, don’t pray for him.
Michael Savage probably told you not to, since he’s been the one leading the charge on this issue.
And we should all obey the words of hack radio personalities whose real last names are “weiner,” and who happen to be former beatniks.
What a moron. (Michael Savage-Weiner and the writer.)
If Ted Kennedy had been a champion for “conservative” causes they would have held an all night prayer vigil. Like Tim grasped for words about Spurgeon’s views, I cannot come up with a word or phrase that adequately describes the smug hubris that comes with some theologies.
I can honestly say it sometimes makes me physically sick. Ted Kennedy is a sinner for whom Jesus died. We should pray for his salvation. The breathtaking theoloigical ignorance in all of this is that all of us were ever bit the sinner as is Ted Kennedy, and the only reason God accepts us now is certainly not because we do not sin, it is because of Jesus Himself and His grace.
I will always believe God hates politics and political causes because it poisons are spirit by dragging us down into the repulsive pit of partisan Christianity. Let us pray for Kennedy just like we pray for our own relatives, God is no respector of persons.
The insidious lie of limited atonement and unconditional election are embedded in this kind of ivory tower self righteousness. And if you have to wonder whether you should pray for someone, don’t, the ceiling will be the final resting place for such prayers.
Rick,
Luke 6: 27. “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28. bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Matt 6: 14. For if you forgive men when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15. But if you do not forgive men their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.
Mark 11: 24. Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
25. And when you stand praying, if you hold anything against anyone, forgive him, so that your Father in heaven may forgive you your sins. ”
Believe me for someone to say not to pray for Sen Kennedy, they are not getting that from the Bible… or God… and especially not Jesus.
iggy
This also reminds me of the outrage and castigation some church received at the hands of the reformers when they dared started a campaign to pray fro Britney Spears. Does it strike anyone that on the reformed side Miley Cyrus is absolutely slaughtered and on the free will side Spears is prayed for.
OK, class, this test will count. Which reflects Christ?
Apparently based on the comments at that blog they are getting it from the bible.
*shakes head* I don’t get it.
The really unfortunate thing is that someone, somewhere will say that it’s “truly loving” to have that view.
uh…I’m gonna go with “those who try to live out the gospel according to Christ; NOT the gospel according to Wesley or Calvin”
Amen. Which includes always praying and not using a great gift of grace as political and theological fodder.
I have no problem praying for Ted. God help me, I am disinclined to pray for the author of this piece of . . .
I think we must pray for Ted Kennedy, because He is lost, and if he dies now he will got to Hell! I pray that God in His mercy will heal him, and that Ted will respond to his mercy and repent of his sins and cling to Christ alone for salvation.
I pray the same way for all lost people that I know of, even not personally, including a few blog authors. The simple fact is that all have sinned, just some are more public than others. Kennedy is one thing if nothing else and that is a flawed man, and a great public servant who has given his long life over to serving the public. Whether I agree with him or not, I must pray for Him.
PB,
You’re right, we should pray for all “lost” people. You have convinced me I should pray for the author of this “article”.
Did anyone notice that PB majorly contradicts himself again?
iggy
It is also self-satisfied hubris to suggest that, behind one’s computer in fundamentalism land, one can accurately determine the state of Ted Kennedy’s soul or his religious faith.
The legislation he has tirelessly fought for is more in line with Jesus’s message than anything that’s come out of the Conservative Christian church in decades.
Wow JohnD… I knew Californians could be childish and immature. You seem to take the cake.
Uh, Nathan,
What did I miss? My point was that if PB can conclude that Ted is lost, I guess I can conclude that the author of the article on not praying for Ted is probably lost as well.
“The legislation he has tirelessly fought for is more in line with Jesus’s message than anything that’s come out of the Conservative Christian church in decades.”
Maybe, but they are still unredemptive works.
I cannot conclude that he is lost, only God knows that.
It does not hurt to pray for people whose status I do not know, according to the testimony of their lives (Kennedy) and their writings (bloggers I know).
I am also commanded in the Bible to pray for government officials, saved and unsaved.
Rick, Amen.
Gee… again I stated this but PB just ignores when we agree…
iggy =)
I agree. Peace on your day.
John – I think Nathan was confusing which article you were referring to – the one HERE or the one on Triablog…
Yea, I can see how that could happen. My comment wasn’t as clear as I would have liked.
Or, since Nathan is also from California, maybe he’s just acknowledging that it takes one to know one . . .LOL!
Wow, seriously, you guys need to sit back and take a break! Did you even read the article in the first place? Talk about misrepresentation…
Maybe you are not reading it carefully… he is quoting someone else then answering them why they are wrong.
Yep read it and still amazed in how he justifies not praying for Ted Kennedy. In fact more amazing is how the author flounders in his attempt to say, “it is all fine and good, but it is wrong”… it can’t be both as the author is asserting. He is a bit double minded in all this.
iggy