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	<title>Comments on: The Universal &#8220;Imago Dei&#8221; &#8211; UPDATED 6/30</title>
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		<title>By: Chris P.</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-65553</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for the final time:
I never said that man was not made in the image and likeness of God. 
I am not condemning sinners. 
This blogsite is one of the most carfeully edited and disingenuous blogs out there.

http://thetruefast.blogspot.com/

When it comes to blogging; all are fair game. Don&#039;t blog unless you are prepared to defend yourself. So I will continue to comment on, and criticize those who claim to be teachers and/or leaders in the church, regardless of who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for the final time:<br />
I never said that man was not made in the image and likeness of God.<br />
I am not condemning sinners.<br />
This blogsite is one of the most carfeully edited and disingenuous blogs out there.</p>
<p><a href="http://thetruefast.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://thetruefast.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>When it comes to blogging; all are fair game. Don&#8217;t blog unless you are prepared to defend yourself. So I will continue to comment on, and criticize those who claim to be teachers and/or leaders in the church, regardless of who they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris P.</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-65547</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>iggy 
no one is asking you to follow any man. 
I obviously don&#039;t. 
 If you had returned to read my replies to you, I covered your &quot;objections&quot;.
I also believe that very few here actually read my posts. They simply take the word of the spin doctors and argue based on that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>iggy<br />
no one is asking you to follow any man.<br />
I obviously don&#8217;t.<br />
 If you had returned to read my replies to you, I covered your &#8220;objections&#8221;.<br />
I also believe that very few here actually read my posts. They simply take the word of the spin doctors and argue based on that.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris P.</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-65544</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. Since my comments are being selectively edited everywhere on this blog, you can spin it however you want. 

2. What in Genesis 9 did I not address?
The same point applies here as it did in reference to Cain. Man WAS made made in the image and likeness, therefore it is wrong to take human life, as only human life can be &quot;born again&quot; i.e. recreated into the imago dei.
This is why nothing is ever said about slaughtering animals, etc.
They were never made in imago dei.

3. Too bad you can&#039;t follow an argument. The meaning is plain. Even the works we do prove who are regenerate and who are not.
The belief here as with most is that ANY good works will do. Eph 2:8-10 and James 2 are not talking about just any good thing. 
Are all who work for the UN regenerate because they send food to the world?
The good works of the people of God glorify the Father, not themselves.


Jonathan Freuh

Matthew 5:
 43&quot;You have heard that it was said, &#039;Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.&#039; 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Your argument re: sinners is moot.
Jesus told us what to do and we do it.
I am not arguing over who is my neighbor.
I am saying that whether one is  calvinist or arminian, the only recourse we have is to preach the Word, as neither group knows who is being saved on any particular day.
Several here have deliberately chosen to 
ignore my point and twist my words.

Jeremiah 31:
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

God writes the law on the hearts of those who He has CHOSEN to be Israel. Israel has and always will be God&#039;s chosen, people both jew and gentile.

Of course I tried to define what and who Israel actually is on the current post,&quot;you may not have a good purpose&quot; but it was edited out.
Nevertheless, we who serve on the rez will continue to feed the hungry and cloth the naked regardless of what they believe.
Jesus died for ALL. I never said that He didn&#039;t (more spin). 
However, many are called but few choose to come...er...I mean, ARE CHOSEN.

BTW,I do not teach heresy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. Since my comments are being selectively edited everywhere on this blog, you can spin it however you want. </p>
<p>2. What in Genesis 9 did I not address?<br />
The same point applies here as it did in reference to Cain. Man WAS made made in the image and likeness, therefore it is wrong to take human life, as only human life can be &#8220;born again&#8221; i.e. recreated into the imago dei.<br />
This is why nothing is ever said about slaughtering animals, etc.<br />
They were never made in imago dei.</p>
<p>3. Too bad you can&#8217;t follow an argument. The meaning is plain. Even the works we do prove who are regenerate and who are not.<br />
The belief here as with most is that ANY good works will do. Eph 2:8-10 and James 2 are not talking about just any good thing.<br />
Are all who work for the UN regenerate because they send food to the world?<br />
The good works of the people of God glorify the Father, not themselves.</p>
<p>Jonathan Freuh</p>
<p>Matthew 5:<br />
 43&#8243;You have heard that it was said, &#8216;Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.&#8217; 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.</p>
<p>Your argument re: sinners is moot.<br />
Jesus told us what to do and we do it.<br />
I am not arguing over who is my neighbor.<br />
I am saying that whether one is  calvinist or arminian, the only recourse we have is to preach the Word, as neither group knows who is being saved on any particular day.<br />
Several here have deliberately chosen to<br />
ignore my point and twist my words.</p>
<p>Jeremiah 31:<br />
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.</p>
<p>God writes the law on the hearts of those who He has CHOSEN to be Israel. Israel has and always will be God&#8217;s chosen, people both jew and gentile.</p>
<p>Of course I tried to define what and who Israel actually is on the current post,&#8221;you may not have a good purpose&#8221; but it was edited out.<br />
Nevertheless, we who serve on the rez will continue to feed the hungry and cloth the naked regardless of what they believe.<br />
Jesus died for ALL. I never said that He didn&#8217;t (more spin).<br />
However, many are called but few choose to come&#8230;er&#8230;I mean, ARE CHOSEN.</p>
<p>BTW,I do not teach heresy.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shoot - I&#039;m disappointed.  I was hoping to have a substantive dialogue on the matter...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shoot &#8211; I&#8217;m disappointed.  I was hoping to have a substantive dialogue on the matter&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Will Farel</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-64631</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Farel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;All this heretic talk… should we be gathering wood or stones?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

:mrgreen:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>All this heretic talk… should we be gathering wood or stones?</p></blockquote>
<p> <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-64626</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 04:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It matters because of the ramifications: if “sinners” are not created in the image of God there’s no point feeding the homeless unless they accept Christ… there’s no point addressing injustice if not directed toward believers… genocide is fine as long as the objects are not regenerate (apply that to “the” or any holocaust)… there is no justification for a myriad of laws against others if “sinners are unregenerate.&quot;

The pharisees asked Jesus what is the greatest law and the Lord answered, &quot;Love the Lord thy God.....and love your neighbor as yourself.&quot;
Neighbors are those who are believers and non-believers. 

Every man has the Law of God written on their hearts and this biblical view shows the even plain that all are made in the image of God. The bible doesn&#039;t say that only the regenerate have the Law written on their heart. The moral law and the moral law giver are both evident within the human race, yet it is not accepted by all humans...yet it is evident when looking at creation in the eyes of a seeker. &quot;Seek and you shall find&quot; 

I also find it interesting how some show the bible in these terms. Concerning grace...it is only shown for some and these some are the only ones who benifit, yet the judgment found in scripture  effects both the regenerate and unregenerate  just in different ways.  The regenerate is given a brow wiping, deep breathe of relief and the unregenerate is shown their doom without a way out...No matter how much he seeks or what is written on their hearts.

This is definitely not my view...&quot;Jesus died once, for ALL&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It matters because of the ramifications: if “sinners” are not created in the image of God there’s no point feeding the homeless unless they accept Christ… there’s no point addressing injustice if not directed toward believers… genocide is fine as long as the objects are not regenerate (apply that to “the” or any holocaust)… there is no justification for a myriad of laws against others if “sinners are unregenerate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The pharisees asked Jesus what is the greatest law and the Lord answered, &#8220;Love the Lord thy God&#8230;..and love your neighbor as yourself.&#8221;<br />
Neighbors are those who are believers and non-believers. </p>
<p>Every man has the Law of God written on their hearts and this biblical view shows the even plain that all are made in the image of God. The bible doesn&#8217;t say that only the regenerate have the Law written on their heart. The moral law and the moral law giver are both evident within the human race, yet it is not accepted by all humans&#8230;yet it is evident when looking at creation in the eyes of a seeker. &#8220;Seek and you shall find&#8221; </p>
<p>I also find it interesting how some show the bible in these terms. Concerning grace&#8230;it is only shown for some and these some are the only ones who benifit, yet the judgment found in scripture  effects both the regenerate and unregenerate  just in different ways.  The regenerate is given a brow wiping, deep breathe of relief and the unregenerate is shown their doom without a way out&#8230;No matter how much he seeks or what is written on their hearts.</p>
<p>This is definitely not my view&#8230;&#8221;Jesus died once, for ALL&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And FYI - it&#039;s wood on the weekdays, stoned on the weekends. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And FYI &#8211; it&#8217;s wood on the weekdays, stoned on the weekends. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/06/27/the-universal-imago-dei/comment-page-2/#comment-64623</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Iggy - that&#039;s how much you know - it&#039;s &lt;strong&gt;heretik&lt;/strong&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iggy &#8211; that&#8217;s how much you know &#8211; it&#8217;s <strong>heretik</strong>.</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All this heretic talk... should we be gathering wood or stones?


iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this heretic talk&#8230; should we be gathering wood or stones?</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 00:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greek word indicates a &quot;departing&quot; from established teachings, especially those which church authorities have condemned.

That seems like a wide range, however in the strictest sense I probably use the word more loosely than is defined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greek word indicates a &#8220;departing&#8221; from established teachings, especially those which church authorities have condemned.</p>
<p>That seems like a wide range, however in the strictest sense I probably use the word more loosely than is defined.</p>
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