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		<title>By: richard abanes</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/07/18/taking-self-righteousness-to-dizzying-new-heights/comment-page-3/#comment-66557</link>
		<dc:creator>richard abanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IGGY: if you are a believer there is no condemnation in Christ.

RA: Hence, the need for various ODMs to take their enemies out of the realm of believers -- then they can be condemned. Kewl, huh?

Tim Wirth and Bud Press are two of the worst at cutting people out of the Body of Christ if those people disagree with them. Just today, we have this new post titled &lt;a href=&quot;http://nogoofyzone.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/false-brethern/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;False Brethern&lt;/a&gt;.

Basically, it&#039;s about Rick Warren and me (thank you, thank you, no applause please) being false brethren. That&#039;s nice and convenient.

And I also have the distinction of being not only a false Christian, but a &quot;problem and danger.&quot; 

Oh, and for those of you who might read Wirth&#039;s garbage, he says: &quot;Richard then goes on to mock Bud’s service to our country in the special forces through his own Abanes innuendo.&quot;

Actually, this is also untrue. Sad. Wirth has gotten to a place where he can&#039;t even understand English. I love the military, and our men/women who have served. My own family has a military history. My point was that when soldiers come home, they need to stop acting like soldiers, especially if they enter the ministry.

IGGY, good luck trying to get your points across. It is all getting very hot now.

RAbanes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IGGY: if you are a believer there is no condemnation in Christ.</p>
<p>RA: Hence, the need for various ODMs to take their enemies out of the realm of believers &#8212; then they can be condemned. Kewl, huh?</p>
<p>Tim Wirth and Bud Press are two of the worst at cutting people out of the Body of Christ if those people disagree with them. Just today, we have this new post titled <a href="http://nogoofyzone.wordpress.com/2008/07/21/false-brethern/" rel="nofollow">False Brethern</a>.</p>
<p>Basically, it&#8217;s about Rick Warren and me (thank you, thank you, no applause please) being false brethren. That&#8217;s nice and convenient.</p>
<p>And I also have the distinction of being not only a false Christian, but a &#8220;problem and danger.&#8221; </p>
<p>Oh, and for those of you who might read Wirth&#8217;s garbage, he says: &#8220;Richard then goes on to mock Bud’s service to our country in the special forces through his own Abanes innuendo.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, this is also untrue. Sad. Wirth has gotten to a place where he can&#8217;t even understand English. I love the military, and our men/women who have served. My own family has a military history. My point was that when soldiers come home, they need to stop acting like soldiers, especially if they enter the ministry.</p>
<p>IGGY, good luck trying to get your points across. It is all getting very hot now.</p>
<p>RAbanes</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 01:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

We are all fools that need Jesus... and if you are a believer there is no condemnation in Christ. 

We all slip, mess up and do stupid things. Yet, that proves even more that we need a Jesus, for where sin abounds, Grace abounds more.

This should encourage us even in our down time... that we are still loved and accepted by Jesus. This should then encourage us to press in deeper into Him.

That is the danger of the ODM message and using Jesus as a way to abuse and condemn others. Jesus did not come to condemn an already condemned world.... He came to save it... and by it I mean YOU! If we condemn others we are not being like Jesus… we are holding the kindness of God in contempt. The message of Ken and Ingrid and others is most often condemnation in the Name of Jesus… The ones they attack most often hold out the message of Hope and the power to over come sin by the loving kindness of Jesus.


Be blessed,
iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>We are all fools that need Jesus&#8230; and if you are a believer there is no condemnation in Christ. </p>
<p>We all slip, mess up and do stupid things. Yet, that proves even more that we need a Jesus, for where sin abounds, Grace abounds more.</p>
<p>This should encourage us even in our down time&#8230; that we are still loved and accepted by Jesus. This should then encourage us to press in deeper into Him.</p>
<p>That is the danger of the ODM message and using Jesus as a way to abuse and condemn others. Jesus did not come to condemn an already condemned world&#8230;. He came to save it&#8230; and by it I mean YOU! If we condemn others we are not being like Jesus… we are holding the kindness of God in contempt. The message of Ken and Ingrid and others is most often condemnation in the Name of Jesus… The ones they attack most often hold out the message of Hope and the power to over come sin by the loving kindness of Jesus.</p>
<p>Be blessed,<br />
iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 23:11:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;THE ODM COMMENT GUIDE&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Five Approved Comments:&lt;/strong&gt;

1. You are sooooo right.
2. Keep standing brother
3. I agree totally
4. How timely
5. You are a remnant leader

&lt;strong&gt;Five Rejected Comments:&lt;/strong&gt;
1. Isn&#039;t that a little harsh
2. I don&#039;t see it that way
3. I don&#039;t think Bell is the Antichrist
4. But Warren does some good
5. Where is God&#039;s love in that

Please memorize to avoid any personal embarrassment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>THE ODM COMMENT GUIDE</strong></p>
<p><strong>Five Approved Comments:</strong></p>
<p>1. You are sooooo right.<br />
2. Keep standing brother<br />
3. I agree totally<br />
4. How timely<br />
5. You are a remnant leader</p>
<p><strong>Five Rejected Comments:</strong><br />
1. Isn&#8217;t that a little harsh<br />
2. I don&#8217;t see it that way<br />
3. I don&#8217;t think Bell is the Antichrist<br />
4. But Warren does some good<br />
5. Where is God&#8217;s love in that</p>
<p>Please memorize to avoid any personal embarrassment.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 22:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

&quot;Sheesh i think i’d rather talk to Ken&quot; 

Then read the email I sent to you last night. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheesh i think i’d rather talk to Ken&#8221; </p>
<p>Then read the email I sent to you last night. <img src='http://prophets-priests-poets.info/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thks iggy hmmmm drinkin is kind of tough in UK its everywhere...

but are be ok GB

Sheesh i think i&#039;d rather talk to Ken then me, but he is my friend lol

hmmmm anyhow sorry to Rick and Merry and Richard ,Phil and anyone else...And to To Tim and his wive espeically

 sorry i&#039;m a fool</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thks iggy hmmmm drinkin is kind of tough in UK its everywhere&#8230;</p>
<p>but are be ok GB</p>
<p>Sheesh i think i&#8217;d rather talk to Ken then me, but he is my friend lol</p>
<p>hmmmm anyhow sorry to Rick and Merry and Richard ,Phil and anyone else&#8230;And to To Tim and his wive espeically</p>
<p> sorry i&#8217;m a fool</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Silva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Silva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 17:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RA: I noted very precisely exactly WHY I’d rather talk to Andy, rather than you. Read again. 

Please tell us that you&#039;re only pretending to be this dense. And I noted very precisely WHY you&#039;re being judgmental.

You read again because you haven’t the slightest clue as to what I’m like.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RA: I noted very precisely exactly WHY I’d rather talk to Andy, rather than you. Read again. </p>
<p>Please tell us that you&#8217;re only pretending to be this dense. And I noted very precisely WHY you&#8217;re being judgmental.</p>
<p>You read again because you haven’t the slightest clue as to what I’m like.</p>
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		<title>By: richard abanes</title>
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		<dc:creator>richard abanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KEN: Nothing like being judgmental. You haven’t the slightest clue as to what I’m like.

RA: I noted very precisely exactly WHY I&#039;d rather talk to Andy, rather than you. Read again. 

RA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KEN: Nothing like being judgmental. You haven’t the slightest clue as to what I’m like.</p>
<p>RA: I noted very precisely exactly WHY I&#8217;d rather talk to Andy, rather than you. Read again. </p>
<p>RA</p>
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		<title>By: iggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 15:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy,

My prayers are with you...

igs</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy,</p>
<p>My prayers are with you&#8230;</p>
<p>igs</p>
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		<title>By: Salamir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Salamir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pastorboy,
When you were accused of slander in an earlier commenting thread did you not state that if it truly was slander they should sue you to prove it, otherwise it was kosher?   

Perhaps you ought not be hiding behind one sin in order to justify another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastorboy,<br />
When you were accused of slander in an earlier commenting thread did you not state that if it truly was slander they should sue you to prove it, otherwise it was kosher?   </p>
<p>Perhaps you ought not be hiding behind one sin in order to justify another.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Frueh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Frueh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will never understand how we can justify using lawyer when someone speaks evil of us or smears our reputation. We are not supposed to have any reputation. They called the Savior &quot;Beelzebub&quot; but we bristle when we are offended.

We &quot;American&quot; Christians have constructed our own definition of persecution. We very often act no differently that the unbelievers when tested in an uncomfortable area, and then turn around and claim persecution. there never would have been a Foxes Book of Martyrs if it depended upon us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will never understand how we can justify using lawyer when someone speaks evil of us or smears our reputation. We are not supposed to have any reputation. They called the Savior &#8220;Beelzebub&#8221; but we bristle when we are offended.</p>
<p>We &#8220;American&#8221; Christians have constructed our own definition of persecution. We very often act no differently that the unbelievers when tested in an uncomfortable area, and then turn around and claim persecution. there never would have been a Foxes Book of Martyrs if it depended upon us.</p>
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