Friends–A brief update to this post and all those I have made here at CRN.info. I realized last evening that I have been spelling Ingrid’s last name incorrectly. I assure you this was inadvertent and I am sorry that it happened. Her last name, to be sure, is spelled Schlueter. I have, in all my posts and replies, reversed the e and u. I apologize for this mistake.–jerry

Friends,

Good news for all you struggling preachers who are fast approaching this Sunday’s sermon deadline: Slice of Laodicea now offers sermon outlines! That’s right. This week’s feature sermon is from…The Teletubbies. But seriously, Ingrid–who has herself preached many sermons directly from God’s word and never once used an I-L-L-U-S-T-R-A-T-I-O-N–is actually criticizing those who would dare to use movies as illustrations in sermons or to make a larger point about living or Scripture. Certainly, if the Apostle Paul were living today and dared to quote from pagan poets he would be on Ingrid’s list of heretics who deserve to burn in the fires of IHOP.

Yet on May 18, 2008, (I think it is fair to cite this because White Horse Inn that day was recorded before a ‘live studio audience’; may as well have been church!) Michael Horton began an episode of the White Horse Inn with an I-L-L-U-S-T-R-A-T-I-O-N from the Tom Cruise movie Risky Business and do you know what we heard from Ingrid? Just like when Chris Rosebroughused a filthy joke from Bill Cosby to I-L-L-U-S-T-R-A-T-E a point at one of his blogs and we heard zip from Ingrid. Is it fair, here at CRN.info, to call a spade a spade and point out that Ingrid is simply hypocritical and only applies her standards to those she wants to apply them too which is more often than not those she simply doesn’t like? I hope that is not too mean or anything. Where is the fairness, Mrs Schleuter?

I suspect that Mrs Schleuter has never read from the prophert Ezekiel. That was one crazy preacher! Have you ever noticed how the Lord commanded Ezekiel to get his point across? He had to play with blocks of clay (4), shave his head (5), eat a scroll (3), preach to mountains (6), pack his belongings and dig through a wall (12), and preach to a valley of dead bones (37) among other things. How about the prophet Hosea? He had to marry a prostitute to get the Lord’s point across! As much as I am a fan of sound expository preaching, those who do not do it should not tell those who do the best way to get it done. I will give anyone $10.00 if they can demonstrate from Scripture where the Lord prohibits the use of films in preaching (and it must be specific, such as ‘thou shall not…’).

Quodlibet…Mrs Schleuter has also revamped her blog SOL. Said the affable one:

Laodicea isn’t pretty but there’s no reason that this website has to be dark as well….Everything is here on the new Slice, no big changes except for the look.

No real surprise, now is there? Isn’t it ironic that Mrs Schleuter’s two new designs, one for Slice and the other for her Slicecast both feature fruit?

jerry

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1   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
July 24th, 2008 at 9:43 am

Ah, the love for Ingrid in this piece is so evident, isn’t it.

2   Kevin I    http://www.ominousknife.com
July 24th, 2008 at 10:42 am

And to think of referencing Batman as infantalizing something shows me show probably hasn’t picked up a comic book in 20 years, if at all.

But viewing comics as children’s stuff/material for idiots as Ingrid obviously does by viewing it as infantlizing something has a long history of racism, classism and ethnocentrism as most of the original comics where written and produced by the marginalized, immigrants, and the poor for the marginalized, the immigrants and the poor.

Thus it picked up a stigma as being trash, dangerous and for idiots because that’s what the people who were producing it were identified as. A lot of that stuff got passed down and filtered down to “It’s just kids stuff” (again, pick up a comic book written in the last 20 years and you’ll change your tune) but it stems from some pretty serious stuff.

You can check out more about this in the FANTASTIC book “The Ten-Cent Plague: The Great Comic-Book Scare and How It Changed America” by David Hajdu were you can read about the watchdogs of yesterday and the foolishness they engaged in.

3   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
July 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am

Pastor Silva,

I provided three links back to Mrs Schleuter’s blogs. I also thanked her for providing us a valuable tellietubbies sermon outline. I also referred her to the Scripture where a prophet was asked to use all sorts of absurd means to get the Word of God into the hearts and heads of the people he was preaching to. I also pointed out her blatant hypocrisy.

Now, the fruit thing was tongue in cheek, but if it was offensive I am sorry. But other than that, of course my piece was filled with love for Mrs Schleuter. And I prayed for her and you again today. I’m still hopeful that before the trumpet sounds you both will learn something of God’s grace in practice not just in theory.

your friend,
jerry

4   John Hughes    
July 24th, 2008 at 11:35 am

Well, not against movie illustrations per se (I use them myself), but that was not an illustration — that was an exposition. A whole sermon exegiting a movie vs. an illustration to make a point? Not wise in my opinion. I could not sit under a constant serving of that but that is a personal preference and not a sin. Also a personal opinion — I think a pastor’s preparation time could be spent better in just study of the Word vs the hours spent studying a movie for any biblical “tie-ins” and if a pastor is downloading his sermons — well that is another whole topic.

5   Ken Silva    http://www.apprising.org
July 24th, 2008 at 11:48 am

By the way, the mocking Pastor whenever you refer to me is a real loving touch Jerry.

Yeah, Ingrid’s the hypocrite. Now listen carefully Jerry: We aren’t friends.

Even so, I will still tell you that on your present course you are in for a real surprise concerning your misunderstanding about the actual grace of God.

6   Joe C    
July 24th, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Ken, your comment didn’t address the issues at all, so try it out for once. Plus…who are you to criticize for a SUPPOSED lack of love?

Praying for you sir.

Joe

7   John Hughes    
July 24th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Hello? Hello?

** crickets **

Where is everyone today?

8   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Object lessons are certainly used in sermons. I have used many. Of course it seems to be overdone sometimes, and sometimes the material is something that I would not point others to.

These things do not bother me from SoL, it’s the itemizing of the sins of others. I pray Mrs. Schlueter stays on point. Her expose of the WoF conference was one of her best. It was a home run!

* We are not at the “Let’s do lunch level yet, but working on it! :)

9   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
July 24th, 2008 at 2:40 pm

John,

I agree. Where is everyone at? It’s sort of strange…like an M Night Shayamlan film…or are we not permitted to use film illustrations here either? Hope I better that see this reply Ingrid does not. :)

jerry

10   Nathanael    http://www.borrowedbreath.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Maybe we’re all left behind.

11   Jose    
July 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Maybe we are 70 AD!

12   John Hughes    
July 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pm

Nathanael: Maybe we’re all left behind.
Jose: Maybe we are 70 AD!

LOL! **pig snort**

13   John Hughes    
July 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Jerry: Hope I better that see this reply Ingrid does not.

??? Are you talking like Yoda here? Uncoherant you are.

Oops another movie illustration, sorry.

14   Chris    http://agendalesslove.wordpress.com
July 24th, 2008 at 3:35 pm

Even so, I will still tell you that on your present course you are in for a real surprise concerning your misunderstanding about the actual grace of God

Ken are you preaching on Gods grace anytime soon because I’ll be in New Hampshire and would to swing by CRBC?

15   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Ken,

By the way, the mocking Pastor whenever you refer to me is a real loving touch Jerry.

Yeah, Ingrid’s the hypocrite. Now listen carefully Jerry: We aren’t friends.

Even so, I will still tell you that on your present course you are in for a real surprise concerning your misunderstanding about the actual grace of God.

I will pass this on as I have been in dialogue with Ingrid for a while now. She thanked me for asking for prayer for Jim Bublitz… I have found her actually nicer than you and more open to talk.

About the Grace of God… Please Ken… do not defile it with such ignorant and vile talk… if you understood it…
you would fall humbly before Jesus and not prance so proudly as if you are some special example of God’s grace. You are saved by Grace not of works..l. your works do nothing to take that away or add to it.

You are preaching a gospel of works, judgement and condemnation and using Jesus to abuse and judge others… that is sick

iggy

16   merry    
July 24th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

We are all hypocrites, even those who try hard not to be. Can we all show each other some love and grace?

17   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 5:01 pm

“Can we all show each other some love and grace?”

Later. Stay tuned. :cool:

18   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
July 24th, 2008 at 5:30 pm

merry,

We are all hypocrites, even those who try hard not to be. Can we all show each other some love and grace?

Isn’t it funny how I see that the people who oppose the ODM’s often accept the fact we are all hypocrites? Sometimes when PB, Ken or whoever state we are, I laugh as all I can say is “yep, and your point is?” I find it fascinating that these ODM’s often seem to exempt themselves from hypocrisy… yet enjoy pointing out everyone else’s.

iggy

19   Where'stheGrace?    http://none
July 24th, 2008 at 5:51 pm

Iggy,
While we’re talking about hypocrisy, is it safe to assume that you’ll remove the humiliating comment about Slice’s author on your Discernmentalist Mafia blog now? I think that’s the meanest thing I’ve seen yet. If it’s true, congratulations should be due, but either way, it’s gossip.

20   merry    
July 24th, 2008 at 7:52 pm

“I find it fascinating that these ODM’s often seem to exempt themselves from hypocrisy… yet enjoy pointing out everyone else’s.”

I’m not sure “fascinating” is the word I’d pick for it, lol!

I just wrote that comment because I’ve been realizing lately how perfect I always try to be and it doesn’t always work . . . and when people loudly point it out to me it makes me feel about 10 times worse.

That’s why I feel everyone else’s frustration when people go back and forth pointing out each other’s hypocrisies–I get it, I get it! We all get the point! Pointing fingers and placing blame will never solve anything. We need love and peace and I’m starting to sound like a hippie so I’ll just stop right now. :)

21   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
July 24th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

Merry,

I agree with you. I will stop pointing out the hypocrisy of others. Oh, you should see that essay I wrote yesterday about discernment and birds and how I call attention to myself as a real hypocrite, etc.

jerry

Pastor Silva,

Here’s what it says at your blog, Apprising Ministries:

Welcome to Apprising Ministries!
Read Pastor Silva’s
latest missive:

Now, if I am repeating what you call yourself, how is that mocking? If it is because of the italics, then I apologize. I was only trying to highlight your credentials. If you wish me to stop emphasizing your credentials, I will.

On other issues, and this is really beside the point, why are we not friends?

sincerely,
jerry

22   merry    
July 25th, 2008 at 12:11 am

Jerry, just read your other article. I hope everyone will choose to follow your humble example. ;)

23   iggy    http://wordofmouthministries.blogspot.com/
July 25th, 2008 at 3:15 am

Jerry,

maybe he is upset that you did not use his entire title… pastor/teacher/general editor/mentored by Walter Martin/discernment extraordinaire/leader of an Internet congregation or whatever that title he has bestowed himself.

He has no qualms in attacking other pastors and mocking them… so I don’t see his issue at all about this… other than to show once again he has one standard for others he does not keep himself…

iggy

24   Tyler    http://tylerbennicke.wordpress.com
July 25th, 2008 at 7:09 am

Dammnit you guys! Ken Silva is right – and you know how much I hate to admit that – but this is just nasty vitriol. What you say is spot on, but the tone of the post is identical to the tone of Slice. A plague on both your houses.

25   Jerry    http://www.dangoldfinch.wordpress.com
July 25th, 2008 at 8:03 am

Tyler,

Hmm. I’m a little confused about who you are angry with in your reply. When you say ‘this is just nasty vitriol’ are refering to the post or to Pastor Silva? When you say ‘what you say is spot on’ are you referring to the post or to Pastor Silva? I don’t know you yet, so help me learn. I don’t think anything I said in the original post was all that vitriolic–perhaps sarcastic and tongue in cheek, and truthful, but hardly full of vitriol.

BTW, did you see what Pastor Silva said to me? He said we are, and I quote, ‘not friends.’ That’s vitriol. You might say, along the lines of Rick’s reply above, that Pastor Silva and I are not at the ‘let’s do lunch phase of our friendship,’ but I assure you I am working on it even if he is not.

jerry

26   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
July 25th, 2008 at 10:09 am

Jerry – many people switch my name from Frueh to Freuh. Litigation always follows! :lol:

I am sure Mrs. Schlueter did not mind – we German’s can take it!

27   Sandman    
July 25th, 2008 at 10:48 am

Rick, I think Ingrid is of Norwegian descent.

28   Rick Frueh    http://judahslion.blogspot.com/
July 25th, 2008 at 11:01 am

Sandman – we took them over in WW II so I claim them as German! :)

29   Sandman    
July 25th, 2008 at 12:20 pm

Too funny!