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		<title>By: iggy</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70513</link>
		<dc:creator>iggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But her loose pants or a dress... I mean how tough is that really?

Religion is stupid... Faith in Christ will be expressed with love in actions.... like buying clothes for the poor... instead of using them to promote one&#039;s own religious view...

If that D. Cloud follower cared to follow Jesus he would buy her clothes... If Slice was following Jesus, they would buy her clothes.

But both fundies decided to do as the Pharisees of old did... argue over righteousness instead of doing what is righteous.

iggy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But her loose pants or a dress&#8230; I mean how tough is that really?</p>
<p>Religion is stupid&#8230; Faith in Christ will be expressed with love in actions&#8230;. like buying clothes for the poor&#8230; instead of using them to promote one&#8217;s own religious view&#8230;</p>
<p>If that D. Cloud follower cared to follow Jesus he would buy her clothes&#8230; If Slice was following Jesus, they would buy her clothes.</p>
<p>But both fundies decided to do as the Pharisees of old did&#8230; argue over righteousness instead of doing what is righteous.</p>
<p>iggy</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I miss something?  Are they more worried that she is wearing pants than attending a hindu school?  Seriously?  No one has problem with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I miss something?  Are they more worried that she is wearing pants than attending a hindu school?  Seriously?  No one has problem with that?</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70435</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I already did...they took away my flannel-graph board!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I already did&#8230;they took away my flannel-graph board!</p>
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		<title>By: Sandman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith,

You should rebuke your pastor for working on Sunday. You rebel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith,</p>
<p>You should rebuke your pastor for working on Sunday. You rebel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandman</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70407</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Merry,

I understand and agree with you&#039;re saying about BJU. I left quite a bit unsaid out of respect for those who have no problem with, and indeed, like the policies. I have problems with certain policies beyond the dress code.

I just couldn&#039;t see myself paying to be controlled to that extent. My temperament won&#039;t allow it; too great a risk of making headlines.

As for church, if we focus on Who should be at the center and moving with Him, we won&#039;t have time to be so territorial and worried about &quot;protecting our borders&quot; with an unhealthy focus on the externals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Merry,</p>
<p>I understand and agree with you&#8217;re saying about BJU. I left quite a bit unsaid out of respect for those who have no problem with, and indeed, like the policies. I have problems with certain policies beyond the dress code.</p>
<p>I just couldn&#8217;t see myself paying to be controlled to that extent. My temperament won&#8217;t allow it; too great a risk of making headlines.</p>
<p>As for church, if we focus on Who should be at the center and moving with Him, we won&#8217;t have time to be so territorial and worried about &#8220;protecting our borders&#8221; with an unhealthy focus on the externals.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70404</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: Comment #34 &quot;view&quot; should read &quot;few&quot; (second para)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: Comment #34 &#8220;view&#8221; should read &#8220;few&#8221; (second para)</p>
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		<title>By: richard abanes</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70402</link>
		<dc:creator>richard abanes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;INGRID SCHLUETER: &quot;Here&#039;s an excerpt [from the Philadelphia Inquirer]: &#039;Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be one of the big enemies of the 21st Century. &#039;Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish  fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism—they&#039;re all motivated by fear. Fear of each other&#039; . . .  Rick Warren&#039;s distaste for Christian fundamentalism as expressed in the Philadelphia Inquirer is a result of his distaste for the fundamentals of God&#039;s Word. . . . Fundamentalists get in the way&quot; (&quot;The Gospel According to Rick Warren,&quot; Jan. 25, 2006, Slice of Laodicea as printed at KJOS MINISTRIES).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
—ECHOED THE CONDEMNATION of Warren by the ODM community for his so-called &quot;attack&quot; on Christian Fundamentalists everywhere.

&lt;blockquote&gt;RICHARD ABANES: &quot;All Warren is saying here is that there is a certain kind of mindset often held by people who are more comfortable with hating, than loving; more interested in screaming than listening; more concerned with judging, than accepting. These people are often referred to as &#039;Fundamentalists&#039; in our current society/culture. They come in all kinds of different theological, sociological, and cultural colors, but they are all &#039;Fundamentalists&#039; in the negative way usually envisioned by society/culture when hearing that term. It doesn&#039;t matter what these Fundamentalists call themselves&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://abanes.com/fundamentalism.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Warren and Fundamentalism&lt;/a&gt;).&lt;/blockquote&gt;
—REJECTED by the ODMs as an adequate and misleading answer for what was Warren&#039;s obvious &quot;attack&quot; on Fundamentalists.

&lt;blockquote&gt;INGRID SCHLUETER: &quot;There are times when words are inadequate to describe the circus the church has become. . . . On the other hand we have the strange world of fundamentalism. What is the fundamentalism I refer to and what does it look like? This should give you an idea. This is from the Fundamental Baptist Information Service.&quot; (&quot;The Girl and Pants,&quot; August 19, 2008). &lt;/blockquote&gt;
—PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE &quot;attack&quot; on Fundamentalists and Fundamentalism by an ODM; no outrage or negative response from the ODM community

&quot;How can you say to your brother, &#039;Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,&#039; when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother&#039;s eye&quot; (Luke 6:42).

&quot;He replied, &quot;Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: &quot; &#039;These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me&quot; (Mark 7:6).

&quot;Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former&quot; (# Matthew 23:23).

R. Abanes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>INGRID SCHLUETER: &#8220;Here&#8217;s an excerpt [from the Philadelphia Inquirer]: &#8216;Warren predicts that fundamentalism, of all varieties, will be one of the big enemies of the 21st Century. &#8216;Muslim fundamentalism, Christian fundamentalism, Jewish  fundamentalism, secular fundamentalism—they&#8217;re all motivated by fear. Fear of each other&#8217; . . .  Rick Warren&#8217;s distaste for Christian fundamentalism as expressed in the Philadelphia Inquirer is a result of his distaste for the fundamentals of God&#8217;s Word. . . . Fundamentalists get in the way&#8221; (&#8221;The Gospel According to Rick Warren,&#8221; Jan. 25, 2006, Slice of Laodicea as printed at KJOS MINISTRIES).</p></blockquote>
<p>—ECHOED THE CONDEMNATION of Warren by the ODM community for his so-called &#8220;attack&#8221; on Christian Fundamentalists everywhere.</p>
<blockquote><p>RICHARD ABANES: &#8220;All Warren is saying here is that there is a certain kind of mindset often held by people who are more comfortable with hating, than loving; more interested in screaming than listening; more concerned with judging, than accepting. These people are often referred to as &#8216;Fundamentalists&#8217; in our current society/culture. They come in all kinds of different theological, sociological, and cultural colors, but they are all &#8216;Fundamentalists&#8217; in the negative way usually envisioned by society/culture when hearing that term. It doesn&#8217;t matter what these Fundamentalists call themselves&#8221; (<a href="http://abanes.com/fundamentalism.htm" rel="nofollow">Warren and Fundamentalism</a>).</p></blockquote>
<p>—REJECTED by the ODMs as an adequate and misleading answer for what was Warren&#8217;s obvious &#8220;attack&#8221; on Fundamentalists.</p>
<blockquote><p>INGRID SCHLUETER: &#8220;There are times when words are inadequate to describe the circus the church has become. . . . On the other hand we have the strange world of fundamentalism. What is the fundamentalism I refer to and what does it look like? This should give you an idea. This is from the Fundamental Baptist Information Service.&#8221; (&#8221;The Girl and Pants,&#8221; August 19, 2008). </p></blockquote>
<p>—PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE &#8220;attack&#8221; on Fundamentalists and Fundamentalism by an ODM; no outrage or negative response from the ODM community</p>
<p>&#8220;How can you say to your brother, &#8216;Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,&#8217; when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother&#8217;s eye&#8221; (Luke 6:42).</p>
<p>&#8220;He replied, &#8220;Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written: &#8221; &#8216;These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me&#8221; (Mark 7:6).</p>
<p>&#8220;Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former&#8221; (# Matthew 23:23).</p>
<p>R. Abanes</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
		<link>http://prophets-priests-poets.info/2008/08/19/whos-focused-on-the-externals/comment-page-1/#comment-70398</link>
		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NC, Corey, and Christian P: I&#039;m already viewed as a &quot;rogue&quot; around there. (My ear is pierced, but I don&#039;t wear the earring any more). Also, I don&#039;t listen to Christian Radio (music) and I STILL have a bunch of CDs of 70s rock and roll. My boys and I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last year and I didn&#039;t dare tell anyone around there for fear of being burned at the stake. 

Why stay? The preaching is good and it&#039;s one of the view reformed Baptist churches in the area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NC, Corey, and Christian P: I&#8217;m already viewed as a &#8220;rogue&#8221; around there. (My ear is pierced, but I don&#8217;t wear the earring any more). Also, I don&#8217;t listen to Christian Radio (music) and I STILL have a bunch of CDs of 70s rock and roll. My boys and I went to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame last year and I didn&#8217;t dare tell anyone around there for fear of being burned at the stake. </p>
<p>Why stay? The preaching is good and it&#8217;s one of the view reformed Baptist churches in the area.</p>
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		<title>By: nc</title>
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		<dc:creator>nc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith, 

you&#039;re a bigger man than I...

I&#039;d give somebody a piece of my mind and never go back.
There&#039;s a clear line between accountability about what matters and the religious need of certain Christians to get into people&#039;s back yards and lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith, </p>
<p>you&#8217;re a bigger man than I&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d give somebody a piece of my mind and never go back.<br />
There&#8217;s a clear line between accountability about what matters and the religious need of certain Christians to get into people&#8217;s back yards and lives.</p>
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		<title>By: corey</title>
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		<dc:creator>corey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 03:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keith -
From now on, you should go without the shower...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keith -<br />
From now on, you should go without the shower&#8230;</p>
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