Comments on: easy-believism

By: Kyle in WI

Kyle in WI — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:15:09 +0000

This is a a supposed quote from RW on the acutal blog, go a head a look at the link. Schuller claims to be a calvinist also. What is wrong if Warren says he is a calvinist.

By: nathan

nathan — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:12:46 +0000

Kyle,

Just a suggestion on research techniques. People’s opinions of something usually do not count as credible sources. I am concerned that all of the sources you site are opinion blogs. I would expect you to have read all purpose driven material available, thoroughly read thru Saddlebacks’ website and listened to some of Warren’s podcasts before becoming the expert. Then you can simply quote the man, and not what the ODMs say of him

By: Kyle in WI

Kyle in WI — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:05:44 +0000

For the record, ask RW he claims to be a calvinist.

“By the way, I am not a hyper-Calvinist. I am a Kuyper-Calvinist! Abraham Kuyper was right about so much. You can see his influence all through Purpose Driven Life. (smile)”

http://www.puritanboard.com/f24/rick-warren-kuyper-calvinist-34355/

That is where the question comes in, he claims othrdoxy but does not seem to practice it in his preaching/teaching.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:36:34 +0000

John – I’ve been “clubbed” by the “in club”!

By: John Hughes

John Hughes — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:34:31 +0000

Kyle, just for clarity RW is not a Calvinist other wise he would be “in” the “in club” and the ODMs would turn a blind eye.

By: Kyle in WI

Kyle in WI — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:21:32 +0000

Most people would say that Rick is teaching a works salvations also. I think that is where a lot of his critics really hate his method. He may say he is a calvinist and an orthodox protestant but what does he preach and do every Sunday. Not that I want to start a debate on his teachings. His PD method is not wrong it is what he fills the five purposes with that make him wrong. But anywho lets not go down that rabit trail.

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:15:50 +0000

Kyle – we maut carefully consider who we equate with “brood of vipers” as in Jesus’ day. These men would soon crucify the Messiah, and they were teaching a works salvation. Rick Warren’s approach has some serious problems, but he teaches salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

By: Kyle in WI

Kyle in WI — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:06:53 +0000

Rick just a quick note, Jesus was pretty hard on false teachers. He did not mince words. But I agree we need do everything in love and gentleness. Just wanted to make the note of calling false teachers a brood of vipers or pretty caskets only full of dead bones and rotting flesh would be acceptable??

By: Rick Frueh

Rick Frueh — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:59:59 +0000

Thank you, John, for a thoughtful comment. We must not just project ungracious views, but we must avoid compromise without avoiding being like Christ.

By: John Hughes

John Hughes — Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:55:46 +0000

Paul C. – I am very much in your camp on this issue. I am very much opposed to RW and PDL. However, after interacting on this site and after careful introspection I have had to temper my demonization of RW. I still strongly disagree with his approach to things but I can see he does do some good.