you could’ve just said:

You’re all crap.

Thanks for always making me laugh.

Wow talk about spin…

I know I was a bit rough on you yesterday and I apologize. It just struck me that you seem to twist things as negative when they are positive.

It was also obvious you wrote about Ingrid in that way.. which I pointed out at least twice if not more times is off limits here… mostly because we are all so mean I suppose… but still I did not twist your words… you meant it as you stated and used it as a way to make the point we gossip here…

And yet Phil few people have unmasked the details of an unsavory marriage in order to help other people the way Ingrid has. Can you imagine the pain that it causes just to relive those kinds of things? To potentially open up herself to more attacks from the person involved, as a result of making her issues public? To acknowledge that that marriage happened partially as a result of her own turning from God?

If you just read what you wrote I think you should see what you did. You used Ingrid’s divorce to make the point that we are out to harm Ingrid… and that is not true at all.

I am glad and have stated so a few times that Ingrid is in a good marriage and that she is happy. I pray for her to be blessed in all the way of God daily…

Instead of trying to see that you may have written something offensive, you attacked me by stating things about my mental health… again… to harm me… and that also was uncalled for.

So, I apologize again for using such a harsh tone toward you yesterday… and forgive you for twisting the truth and the things I state as you constantly do…

Sadly you miss that I am attempting to defend Ingrid… which I also do at times…

iggy

I have to thank the church for not meeting my needs as an educated (two degrees) single female in my late 40s. The church’s absolute fixation on the nuclear family to the exclusion of anyone who doesn’t fit in caused me to take a harder look at Christianity. And, basically, I bailed out after it became abundantly clear that the church was a hostile place for women. From the words used to describe a male God, his male Son and the male Holy Spirit, to the roles that women are allowed to play in church, to the scriptures that are used to keep us women in our place, it was grimly and abundantly clear to me that, as a questioning woman, I was a square peg trying to fit myself into a round hole.

Oh yes, I should note that it wasn’t the whole woman issue that got me to walk out of church on a permanent basis. It was wrestling with a sermon I heard back in May 1989 about getting the reality of hell into my heart. After nearly two decades, I decided that I couldn’t trust a god who would put people in everlasting fire for failure to correctly worship the right version of him. But the woman issue, well, that was just the icing on the cake.

I’d invite Julie to join me out here among the postchurched, but I think she needs to get a bit older and a bit more disillusioned before she looks critically at the organization that calls itself Christ’s body on earth.

The problem is that there seems to be no shortage of time in moderating/criticizing comments of those who come from a different viewpoint. Suddenly everyone has time.

But have you ever considered the amount of abuse that is reigned on some folks regularly and actually LOOKED at the stuff that Iggy says and noticed the great lack of correction? Yes there’s been occasional correction, and probably some behind the scenes. But others can’t slip by with anything, even good-turned-into-bad things, while Iggy continues, mostly unchallenged.

Take Iggy’s current goings-on about my statement about Ingrid. Ingrid has been REAL, probably at great cost, in a way that helps other people.I pointed that out because Phil said something about ODM’s not being real. All I got in response from him was further condemnation of Ingrid, not even an acknowledgement of the truth that she has been real. A truth that needs to stand in place of or at least alongside of his previous remark.

Is this site for truth or not? I have pointed out something that is good and true about one of your enemies. What evidence do I have that anyone cares to acknowledge the good I’ve pointed out about Ingrid?

Iggy twists that I am gossiping about Ingrid when I am talking about something she writes freely about on her own blog, talking about it in a positive, not a negative way.

He does this kind of twisting and then making general derogatory statments about people on a regular basis. And to be honest I don’t know what he has truly come to believe what he says or if he is purposefully writing lies for malicious reasons.

I don’t know whether he’s trying to think logically and coming to illogical conclusions, or whether he’s so motivated by something ugly that he doesn’t even grasp all that he is saying. That’s why I asked about the health issue.

If one could only take Iggy’s comments. tweak them slightly using for example “Joe M” and “Rob BEll” instead of “Amy” and “Ingrid” and sign them “Pastorboy.”
Then everyone would have plenty of time to address them. And I’m guessing Pastorboy would be on moderation at best.
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Look at the kind of stuff that Iggy writes, to and about lots of folks, on a regular basis. Are the writers here ultimately responsible for it? If they can’t see that what he does is extremely wrong and harmful, probably more so to himself than anyone else, what business do they have being a correction site for ODM’s?

Keep writing, Julie!
I’m going to keep reading.

Shalom

I cannot comment on a church having not ever been at that church, and Julie can’t comment on a church she has been one time?

What is the set standard? Or should we call it the Martino standard? Does listening to a pastor preach on video or reading his/her books count?

I find many of you repugnant and of a base nature. You are natural brute beasts and the shallowness of your intellects is only rivaled by your looks. Your opinions are worthless and your Christianity is razor thin.

Dang they found me out…Run and hide, run and hide!